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Old 03-27-2013, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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They are both civil rights issue. I agree Blacks had it worse, but as far as interracial marriage it is same. States pass bans keeping interracial couples from marrying just like many states passed gay marriage bans. How again is that different?
Why is everything we desire now considered a right? Or even a civil right?

 
Old 03-27-2013, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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You people who believe this is the only thing that matters. Gay people have a word for what you just outlined, they're called "breeders", sounds nasty doesn't it? How does that compare to the slurs thrown at gays?

Ever wonder how many man and woman couples gave up their children because neither father or mother wanted them? and were adopted by gay and lesbian couples, and were loved, nurtured and well taken care of.
"Breeders" are people who keep popping out kids they can't afford. I have never heard anybody call a traditional man and wife "breeders." If they called me that, I couldn't care less b/c that's not what I am.

Anyway, we should not be changing laws and even the Constitution to appease a very small percentage of the population. Then we will have people trying to change things all over the place and that is getting away from the freedoms this country was founded upon.
 
Old 03-27-2013, 01:12 PM
 
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Why is everything we desire now considered a right? Or even a civil right?
It is a right, when you are giving it to one group and not the other with no good reason.
 
Old 03-27-2013, 01:14 PM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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The love argument is a failure. If you go by "love" then you have to open the door to things like multiple people. By this type of argument then we should we call those against polygamy and incest biggots now? They just "love" each other.

That still doesn't compare to what blacks went through.
Like it or not, Civil Rights do not belong to just black people, they belong to everyone, gays included. Gays fought along the Afican Americans in their fight for full equality and African Americans were granted their full civil rights and gays were denied. There is not qualifying factor like race, gender or sexual orientation that says one has to be denied their rights or have to struggle or fight for them. We are denied full equal acess to our rights to equal taxation, right to marry the one we love and right to keep religion from persecuting us. Find a legitimate reason to deny us full equality, full marriage acess that can float. Forget about procreation for that has little to do with marriage anymore, marriage is about rights granted and paid for.
 
Old 03-27-2013, 01:15 PM
 
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To you.
Also irrelevant to the Constitution. See the First Amendment. it is apparently still unclear to the fundies that we don't make laws based on your bible, your god, or anyone else's.
 
Old 03-27-2013, 01:16 PM
 
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Why is everything we desire now considered a right? Or even a civil right?
The 9th amendment. Just because a right isn't listed does not mean the right does not exist. However, the gov does not have the right to treat two groups of people in identical situations differently. A gay man and a straight man can both go into the military and can both have relationships, however, the straight man can decide to marry and get a pay raise in the process. The gay man does not have that option.

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
 
Old 03-27-2013, 01:21 PM
 
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I am for getting the gov't out of marriage entirely. However, I do see the value in traditional marriage and traditional families so I think it should be encouraged in some way. Just not sure how, since I believe in limited gov't.
Homosexual are already raising families though. My friend has been with her partner for 6 years and has a kid. I know of at least two hetero marriages that didn't last that long.
 
Old 03-27-2013, 01:21 PM
 
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The 9th amendment. Just because a right isn't listed does not mean the right does not exist. However, the gov does not have the right to treat two groups of people in identical situations differently. A gay man and a straight man can both go into the military and can both have relationships, however, the straight man can decide to marry and get a pay raise in the process. The gay man does not have that option.

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
And why is all this so, so, so difficult for these people to understand?
 
Old 03-27-2013, 01:21 PM
 
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Homo and hetro sexuals are not

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The 9th amendment. Just because a right isn't listed does not mean the right does not exist. However, the gov does not have the right to treat two groups of people in identical situations differently. A gay man and a straight man can both go into the military and can both have relationships, however, the straight man can decide to marry and get a pay raise in the process. The gay man does not have that option.

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
 
Old 03-27-2013, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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Also irrelevant to the Constitution. See the First Amendment. it is apparently still unclear to the fundies that we don't make laws based on your bible, your god, or anyone else's.
I didn't say anything about the law in relation to God.
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