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Technically it is "illegal" in 9 states. But it's not enforced.
It's allegedy "illegal" in Ohio but same-sex couples still get married. They aint being arrested, aint being fined. Gay wedding chapels aint being shut down by the State. So it is effectively legal. Same with all other states.
It's a contract. The government has always been involved in contracts.
With marriage the gov defies the terms of the contract as well as providing enforcement though. The gov isn't going to define the terms of a business partnership. They will just provide enforcement.
The love argument is a failure. If you go by "love" then you have to open the door to things like multiple people. By this type of argument then we should we call those against polygamy and incest biggots now? They just "love" each other.
That still doesn't compare to what blacks went through.
very few groups [native Ameircans] went through what africans went through in this nations history, so are we to compare all "civil liberties" in comparison black Americans?
Each disenfranchised group or persons are entitled to their day before the court of public opinion as well as the American judicial system...without comparison to any other group.
I really wish the government didn't take over marriage, that is a religious institution that should be left for each religion to decide. for tax and other civil purposes civil unions are enough what i'm for is revoking the ability of the government to give out marriage licenses.
Don't believe in religion so does that mean I can't get married?
We all know the difference between the day before marriage and the day after. Life is barely worth living until you get married, then once you get married the angel's sing from the heavens, the sun is a little brighter, the world revolves around you and everyone kisses the rings.
Marriage has been traditionally attached to the church, and was for a long time a religious sanctioned event that was a covenant under God the two people entered into. It was also for the procreation of children the proper way (not having bastards) in the church's eyes.
With that being said, all traditional churches and religions emphatically reject homosexuality as a sin and abomination of the religious teachings.
So why the homosexuals would want a title/term that has been historically associated with religions and followers that patently reject their lifestyle is beyond me and seems more like they want to stick in the eye of the religious followers than anything.
The whole crux of this unequal treatment they claim are the rights people who are married get through the government (hospital rights) and taxation treatment.
The Supreme courts should strike down all bias in the tax system for "marriage" and give that same treatment to the homosexual, single, widowed, trannies. (Currently marriage offers you tax advantages or less tax penalties than single/homo/tranny).
Furthermore, the court should also strike down any privileges that the government grants to married couples. All rights should be handled with contracts, if you want to grant your gay lover, wife, son, boss, stranger to have hospital rights that only married couples enjoy now.
Marriage should be stricken from the government lexicon. It should only be sanctioned by the religious establishments.
There should be no reference to sexuality by the government at all. There is point in the government wanting to know or enforcing shades of human sexuality. There is simply zero reason the government should care, know or have interest in whether you are single/homo/hetero and if you are hetero if you are married or secular.
I really wish the government didn't take over marriage, that is a religious institution that should be left for each religion to decide. for tax and other civil purposes civil unions are enough what i'm for is revoking the ability of the government to give out marriage licenses.
You have it backwards.
When you get divorced who do you go to?
The state or your church.
Marriage is not an inherently religious institution.
Yes they can. Homosexuals can marry their lover in any state in the United States.
No one will stop them.
My state doesn't recognize gay marriage, civil unions, or common law marriage.
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Originally Posted by derosterreich
The whole crux of this unequal treatment they claim are the rights people who are married get through the government (hospital rights) and taxation treatment.
The Supreme courts should strike down all bias in the tax system for "marriage" and give that same treatment to the homosexual, single, widowed, trannies. (Currently marriage offers you tax advantages or less tax penalties than single/homo/tranny).
Furthermore, the court should also strike down any privileges that the government grants to married couples. All rights should be handled with contracts, if you want to grant your gay lover, wife, son, boss, stranger to have hospital rights that only married couples enjoy now.
Marriage should be stricken from the government lexicon. It should only be sanctioned by the religious establishments.
There should be no reference to sexuality by the government at all. There is point in the government wanting to know or enforcing shades of human sexuality. There is simply zero reason the government should care, know or have interest in whether you are single/homo/hetero and if you are hetero if you are married or secular.
Generally, I agree. I would add that military members get paid more if they are married. Currently, gays are treated the same as a divorced man and woman, but not the same as a married man and woman. I'm not sure how family courts and child custody/child support play into this though.
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