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Old 03-27-2013, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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Originally Posted by TriMT7 View Post
Utter fail in logic and critical thinking skills.



If you buy a house and take out a mortgage, you can take advantage of the benefits of same, including homestead exemptions against judgment, tax and mortgage interest write-offs.

But, you actually have to BUY THE HOUSE FIRST.


Non-homeowners aren't being discriminated against because or when they fail to buy a home to get the benefits.

However, if you say, "Only white people can buy a house" .... THEN you are being discriminatory because the CHANCE to obtain the benefits is not there for everyone in America as it should be. Likewise if you said, "only married couples can buy a house".... THEN single people would be discriminated against.
Utter fail in logic and critical thinking skills on your part.

And people don't want the state to recognize property rights to get tax breaks. It costs more in taxes to buy a house than it does to not.

Same can't be said for marriage. Lefties want gay marriage recognized by the state so they can get tax loopholes. After campaigning on closing tax loopholes. Liberal logic.

Instead of being honest and admitting it's about cheating the system, just phrase it as a "civil rights" issue and then anyone that disagrees is a "bigot." lols. Typical of the left.

 
Old 03-27-2013, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Jews and gays plights are blips compared to what people of African descent the world over have gone, and still are going, through. You can hide your sexual lifestyle, not your skin color.
EXACTLY...to ride on the suffering of Jews and blacks because of some sexual preference is like comparing the image of a bulldozer plowing a huge pile starved to death human beings into a hole ...compared to a person at an ice cream stand being denied vanilla ice cream but being allowed strawberry.
 
Old 03-27-2013, 07:47 AM
 
Location: texas
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Originally Posted by Lybricks View Post
"And black people have never been sent to concentration and death camps"

Never heard of the Trans Atlantic slave trade, yes?
What difference does it a matter which group was more hated and persecuted?


that is a ridiculous argument...not to mention juvenile.
 
Old 03-27-2013, 07:48 AM
 
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Originally Posted by OhioRules View Post
It's not a strawman. It's a fact.
No. Strawman so big the scarecrow is jealous.

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Gay couples are allowed to get married in this country.

In some states, yes. But DOMA unconstitutionally restricts their marriages from being recognized across state lines or at the federal level. So, in effect, there's impermissible discrimination.


Even Britney's 72 hour wedding in Vegas was valid in all 50 states the moment they signed the paper at the chapel of drive in love.
 
Old 03-27-2013, 07:49 AM
 
Location: texas
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EXACTLY...to ride on the suffering of Jews and blacks because of some sexual preference is like comparing the image of a bulldozer plowing a huge pile starved to death human beings into a hole ...compared to a person at an ice cream stand being denied vanilla ice cream but being allowed strawberry.
this argument is even more juvenile and simplistic...
 
Old 03-27-2013, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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A single hetero man and a single gay man are treated the same by the tax system, they are treated the same when they are in a relationship, they are treated differently if the respective couples want to get married.

If the state is going to confer benefits then it needs to confer the benefits equally. Homosexuals are already raising families and living together so why not give them the same benefits that hetero couples get? A woman married 15 years receives more benefit than a gay couple that lives together for 30 years.
So you are for discriminating against heterosexuals that for one reason or another do not get married.

Excellent.

I wish people would just go ahead and admit this is about getting special privilages for one group of people and taking advantage of the system. if it wasn't people would be asking for the same benefits for everyone. Regardless of marital status. If it were really about equality.

Government should get out of marriage altogether. Then all these problems disappear overnight. The left wants the government more involved. Which is just going to cause more problems. Already has.
 
Old 03-27-2013, 07:50 AM
 
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Jews have been kicked out of every country they stepped foot in and were discriminated/oppressed for thousands of years.
So have people of African descent. only difference is the Jews are white and have the Western world by the balls.
 
Old 03-27-2013, 07:50 AM
 
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Originally Posted by OhioRules View Post
Utter fail in logic and critical thinking skills on your part.

And people don't want the state to recognize property rights to get tax breaks. It costs more in taxes to buy a house than it does to not.

Same can't be said for marriage. Lefties want gay marriage recognized by the state so they can get tax loopholes. After campaigning on closing tax loopholes. Liberal logic.

Instead of being honest and admitting it's about cheating the system, just phrase it as a "civil rights" issue and then anyone that disagrees is a "bigot." lols. Typical of the left.
Why should the state treat a married couple differently than a gay couple that wants to be married. A friend of mine has a kid and lives with her partner, but she cannot get married. She has been with her partner for 6 years and is still together. that is longer than at least 2 marriages that I know of.
 
Old 03-27-2013, 07:53 AM
 
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Utter fail in logic and critical thinking skills on your part.

And people don't want the state to recognize property rights to get tax breaks. It costs more in taxes to buy a house than it does to not.
Oh? Propose an end to tax and mortgage deductions and see how far you get "with the people"!

Also, if someone violates your property rights, remind me... who do you run to to enforce your contracts and land rights?

Oh. Right. The GOVERNMENT.


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Originally Posted by OhioRules
Same can't be said for marriage. Lefties want gay marriage recognized by the state so they can get tax loopholes. After campaigning on closing tax loopholes. Liberal logic.

I refuse to believe you are this dense by accident.

There are more than just "tax loopholes" that accompany marriage. Why don't you take some of your time not spent thinking critically to actually LEARN what rights, benefits and privileges and responsibilities entering into a marriage contract AUTOMATICALLY confers on its participants.

On such varied subjects as child and family rights, health rights, financial rights and inheritance, legal and court rights and insurance.



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Originally Posted by OhioRules
Instead of being honest and admitting it's about cheating the system, just phrase it as a "civil rights" issue and then anyone that disagrees is a "bigot." lols. Typical of the left.

Marriage is about cheating the system? Well then looks like your issue is with MARRIAGE. Take your fight there and work to abolish marriage altogether.

Until then, where one institution exists, created and licensed by the government, it should be open to everyone.
 
Old 03-27-2013, 07:53 AM
 
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What difference does it a matter which group was more hated and persecuted?


that is a ridiculous argument...not to mention juvenile.
Because we have the Jews' side of the story shoved down our throats ad naseum, but nary a word about American slavery.
And when you do mention it, you're told to get over it.
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