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Old 03-27-2013, 05:09 PM
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Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Heck, we got quite a few posters on this forum that practically brag about their SSDI payments. But seriously, who wouldn't try to get on the dole when you can make the same amount of money as many jobs by sitting on your behind? If somebody was actively giving money away, would you try to collect?

The economy is hollow these days. There's not enough decent paying jobs to support those looking for work. If you threw the workers collecting SSDI who could work into the mix, things would be considerably worse.

What's the answer? There is no answer. The country is going down the crapper and folks are just going to have to deal with that. How many people make an effort to "buy American"? How many people shop where workers are paid a modest living wage? How many people research where their money goes prior to making a purchase?
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Old 03-27-2013, 05:42 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Peole getting lazy or what the hek. Out the other day with hubby, we were shopping. Ok now i do not usually easesdrop on a converstation, unless something perks my attnetion, and perk it did.

I heard a heavy woman talking to another women, do not know the relation they had to each other. I heard the heavier woman say, and i quote, well illegals get this and that, lazy bums get this and that for no reason. I am trying right now to get S.S. benefits. Going to see if my Doctor, can write that i need disability. Other people can do it, bums and illegals and will not say the other word she used, so can i.

The way she was speaking she had problems with her hands but clearly not a disability. But was going to try like heck to get it. Is
this now the norm for so many people! really thought about this after i heard that conversation. Now i was wondering are their Doctors, who will claim someone needs disability if they do not. And if they are caught lying what then happens to them.

Guess some people don't believe in the concept of work anymore. I must be a damn fool, to believe in hard work.
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Old 03-27-2013, 06:37 PM
 
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Look you can go on about the process, and justification for it. . .but it doesn't add up

Americans with disabilitiy have more rights and protections

Americans are not ANY more disabled than they were 20 years ago

Based on the move from welfare to SSDI, the data suggest that most of the growth from "fuzzy" illness i.e. pain/mental are due to a lack of employment and not any real disability.

My vote - either signficanlty limit how long 95% can stay on the program, or kill the program.
Well you can believe that bs all you want. But if you become very ill, and by the way we all do eventually, don't make a claim.
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Old 03-27-2013, 07:43 PM
 
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Look you can go on about the process, and justification for it. . .but it doesn't add up

Americans with disabilitiy have more rights and protections

Americans are not ANY more disabled than they were 20 years ago

Based on the move from welfare to SSDI, the data suggest that most of the growth from "fuzzy" illness i.e. pain/mental are due to a lack of employment and not any real disability.

My vote - either signficanlty limit how long 95% can stay on the program, or kill the program.
An alternative to either would be to hire a handful of doctors to act as consultants to audit the findings of the other doctors who give supporting documents for large numbers of "fuzzy" disability cases. It's a relatively small number of doctors doing this, so just need to closely keep tabs on them, and take away the ability to do so in the future / reverse decisions / fine the doctor in the cases where they are found to be falsely helping people claim disability.

Make doctors liable if they surpass a certain number and proportion of clearly groundless disability claims supported and watch the "fuzzy" claims dry up overnight.
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Old 03-27-2013, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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An alternative to either would be to hire a handful of doctors to act as consultants to audit the findings of the other doctors who give supporting documents for large numbers of "fuzzy" disability cases. It's a relatively small number of doctors doing this, so just need to closely keep tabs on them, and take away the ability to do so in the future / reverse decisions / fine the doctor in the cases where they are found to be falsely helping people claim disability.

Make doctors liable if they surpass a certain number and proportion of clearly groundless disability claims supported and watch the "fuzzy" claims dry up overnight.
I think they should make it EASIER...streamline the process

its a bloody shame that it can take 3 years or more to get disability

but add the catch...if found to be fraudlent....a life time ban on the requestor, and loss of license on the doctor who ok'd it
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Old 03-28-2013, 04:29 AM
 
Location: Steeler Nation
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1961: 0% disabilities for injuries? Something's gotta be wrong with that data.
Maybe injuries are/were covered by workmans comp ????
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Old 03-28-2013, 04:34 AM
 
Location: Steeler Nation
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I have a neighbor now who was a licensed health care nurse. She hit a deer on her way home from work one night and it tore off the top of her head. She is now on full disability, and also works as a restaurant dishwasher 25 hours a week for $10/hr, which she gets paid 'under the table', no taxes. Her full disability is under $800/mo. I rail against people who double dip, but I don't begrudge her. She's 58 now and I feel her years working and paying her own way entitles her to a decent living. The accident with the deer diminished her mental capacity; she'll never work as a professional anything again.

In other words, she's earned it. No, she shouldn't be double dipping, but for every rule, there are exceptions. IMO, she would be one of those exceptions. She works hard and appreciates what she has.
It is perfectly legal to work while on disability if possible, mental dis is a little different.
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Old 03-28-2013, 05:43 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I have a neighbor now who was a licensed health care nurse. She hit a deer on her way home from work one night and it tore off the top of her head. She is now on full disability, and also works as a restaurant dishwasher 25 hours a week for $10/hr, which she gets paid 'under the table', no taxes. Her full disability is under $800/mo. I rail against people who double dip, but I don't begrudge her. She's 58 now and I feel her years working and paying her own way entitles her to a decent living. The accident with the deer diminished her mental capacity; she'll never work as a professional anything again.

In other words, she's earned it. No, she shouldn't be double dipping, but for every rule, there are exceptions. IMO, she would be one of those exceptions. She works hard and appreciates what she has.

Seems to me this proves that she is not unemployable due to disability.
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Old 03-28-2013, 05:45 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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I was acquainted with people who "went crazy" as youths, were hospitalized for a few months, and then qualified for SSI, for the rest of their lives.
At the time, I did not appreciate the method to their madness.
Once they were cleared as "mostly harmless" they had a meal ticket for life.
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Old 03-28-2013, 08:06 AM
 
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An alternative to either would be to hire a handful of doctors to act as consultants to audit the findings of the other doctors who give supporting documents for large numbers of "fuzzy" disability cases. It's a relatively small number of doctors doing this, so just need to closely keep tabs on them, and take away the ability to do so in the future / reverse decisions / fine the doctor in the cases where they are found to be falsely helping people claim disability.

Make doctors liable if they surpass a certain number and proportion of clearly groundless disability claims supported and watch the "fuzzy" claims dry up overnight.
Social Security already does this. They also will send a patient to a doctor retained by SS to evaluate the patient.
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