Same Sex Marriage supporters: Do you support Polygamy? (claim, New York, Ohio)
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Should be able to solve this contractually, without redefining marriage. This is a social experiment. Nothing has been normalized. Gay marriage is a sociological experiment.
But why bother? I want to keep the government as small as possible. There's no need to add a bunch of new legislation. Allow the government law to be opened up to the population.
If some religions believe that this is not enough, then they are more than welcome to limit marriage to a union between a man and a woman and apply those rules to anyone in their religion.
The definition of marriage has never been changed. Even "interracial" marriage is marriage between a male and female WHICH WOULD NOT BE REDEFINING MARRIAGE because it's still between male and female.
No REDEFINING marriage would be HOMOSEXUALS same sex marriage.
Maybe you should study the definition of REDEFINING.
Anyone up for a game of "Spot the logical fallacy"?
Originally Posted by EdwardA It's clear homosexuals are not really interested marriage ( maybe the lesbians) but more interested in gaining acceptance for their deviant lifestyle.
Deviance in in the eye of the beholder. If you feel it's offensive, perhaps it's time for some biblical eye-plucking. Problem solved.
The definition of marriage has never been changed. Even "interracial" marriage is marriage between a male and female WHICH WOULD NOT BE REDEFINING MARRIAGE because it's still between male and female.
No REDEFINING marriage would be HOMOSEXUALS same sex marriage.
Maybe you should study the definition of REDEFINING.
If Native Americans had such a practice why isn't it in place today? When was it made illegal please document these events. I await your results.
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In the 20th-century, as homophobic European Christian influences increased among many Native Americans, respect for same-sex love and for androgynous persons greatly declined. Two-spirit people were often forced, either by government officials, Christian missionaries or their own community, to conform to standard gender roles. Some, who could not conform, either went underground or committed suicide. With the imposition of Euro-American marriage laws, same-sex marriages between two-spirit people and their spouses were no longer legally recognized.
In Native American tradition, sexuality was viewed differently than it was by the encroaching Europeans. Most tribes recognized different “kinds” of gender: the Navajo accepted 4 but other tribes had even more. The most common description is “two-spirit” – men with feminine tendencies or women with masculine ones. The Indians recognized that, for one to be in harmony with themselves and the world around them, they needed to be able to live with a balance of male and female.
“Unlike the European cultures, most of the American Indian cultures recognized that sexuality was a continuum. Sexuality was not male or female, but included a full range of feelings and expressions. Thus, individuals who did not fit into the male or female concepts were not only accepted by society but were able to maintain their internal harmony and balance.” (Source)
The interesting thing is that many Native American tribes historically accepted same-sex relationships. But in the colonial era, Europeans tended to change that.
Native Americans not only accepted lesbian and gay people, they also respected them as prophets, hunters or healers, anthropologist Rae Trewartha writes in The New Internationalist.
English and French-Canadian fur trappers were surprised to find that there were significant numbers of men dressed as women among the Native Indians, Scott Bidstrup writes:
What intrigued them the most, however, was the esteem with which these men were held by their fellow tribesmen. These men were considered to be spiritually gifted, a special gift to the tribe by God, men with a particular insight into spiritual matters.
However, much of these traditional roles and practices, even the institution of the Two-Spirit person itself, began to disappear after the arrival of European colonialism. With the European settler-colonists also came European Judeo-Christian values and norms about gender and sexuality, which, needless to say, were starkly different than those of indigenous North Americans. It has already been noted how the first European conquerors and explorers reacted in a number of ways at the existence of Two-Spirit people, including with violence. In one very telling example of the violent ways in which Europeans attempted at times to eliminate Two-Spirit people, Roscoe recounts the story of Vasco Núñez de Balba who upon encountering “forty pathicos foemineo amictu (male homosexuals dressed as women) in Panama, he had them put to the dogs.” (1998:4) One catholic theologian a century later would applaud de Balba violence by anointing his actions as being those of an honourable Catholic Spaniard (Roscoe 1998:4). The result of this onslaught on the institution and practice of the Two-Spirit, which included not only physical violence directed at those people who were part of the group, but also the cultural colonization of the indigenous population, especially with the imposition of the Christian religion and Judeo-Christian European ideas on gender and sexuality is that by the time of the early 20th century there was fear that the Two-Spirit institution had ceased to exist in certain areas of North America. For some time the male Two-Spirit person Kasinelu was labelled by some scholars as the last Zuni Two-Spirit person (Pilling 1997:71).
Believe it? What's not to believe? It's legal in the civilized nations of this world, and has been for some time.
Compare to people who talk to women with wings who play harps on clouds in the sky, or who believe the bread they eat transforms into flesh.
So over 200 countries are uncivilized including the UK, France and Germany? Lol the gay lobby is pathetic.
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