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Old 03-29-2013, 01:29 PM
 
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I have always been a supporter of SSM. I just never realized how good old fashioned American families would be affected, until I watched this:


The Ultimate Anti-Gay Marriage Ad - YouTube

 
Old 03-29-2013, 01:31 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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There is not one behavior that homosexuals do that heterosexuals don't do. The only difference is the genitalia of the parties involved.
It is about more than sex organs, although sex is the motivation at the heart of homosexuality. Just as sex is the motivation behind heterosexuality.

No. It's also about why someone has an abnormal propensity for sexual attraction to the same sex.

The difference is that it's between people with the same genitalia.

And those parts are not created to work with each other, they are created specifically to work with someone who has parts different from what you have.

If someone cannot connect on a sexual level with someone that has sex parts opposite from what they have, because emotionally it would shatter their world that is abnormal.
 
Old 03-29-2013, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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It is about more than sex organs, although sex is the motivation at the heart of homosexuality.

No. It's also about why someone has an abnormal propensity for sexual attraction to the same sex.

The difference is that it's between people with the same genitalia.

And those parts are not created to work with each other, they are created specifically to work with someone who has parts different from what you have.

If someone cannot connect on a sexual level with someone that has sex parts opposite from what they have, because emotionally it would shatter their world that is abnormal.
I'm not attracted to someones genitalia, I am attracted to a person. I love a person, not their genitalia.
Sex is only one part of a relationship. Why do you focus on the sexual aspect?
 
Old 03-29-2013, 01:41 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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I'm not attracted to someones genitalia, I am attracted to a person. I love a person, not their genitalia.
Sex is only one part of a relationship. Why do you focus on the sexual aspect?
This is about marriage. Sex is part of marriage, it's human sexuality. Sex is a basic human need, like eating, sleeping etc.

If what you say is true, then you could also love a man couldn't you? A man is a person. But you don't.

So. What are you saying? That there's no such thing as normal human sexuality? Or that "normal" is subjective?

A product of normal human sexual interaction is conception. Same sex couples cannot conceive naturally with each other.
 
Old 03-29-2013, 01:54 PM
 
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Originally Posted by LuckyGem View Post
It is about more than sex organs, although sex is the motivation at the heart of homosexuality. Just as sex is the motivation behind heterosexuality.

No. It's also about why someone has an abnormal propensity for sexual attraction to the same sex.

The difference is that it's between people with the same genitalia.

And those parts are not created to work with each other, they are created specifically to work with someone who has parts different from what you have.

If someone cannot connect on a sexual level with someone that has sex parts opposite from what they have, because emotionally it would shatter their world that is abnormal.
Although I do not necessarily agree with you, this post actually has some rational behind it. The question remains how should the federal government treat married same sex couples? It is discrimination to treat a married gay couple differently than a married hetero couple. If the federal gov did not give benefits out based on marital status it would be a non issue, but they do. In the military you get a pay raise if you are married, but if you are gay the fed doesn't recognize the marriage and you don't get benefits.
 
Old 03-29-2013, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Originally Posted by LuckyGem View Post
This is about marriage. Sex is part of marriage, it's human sexuality. Sex is a basic human need, like eating, sleeping etc.

If what you say is true, then you could also love a man couldn't you? A man is a person. But you don't.

So. What are you saying? That there's no such thing as normal human sexuality? Or that "normal" is subjective?

A product of normal human sexual interaction is conception. Same sex couples cannot conceive naturally with each other.
Normal isn't a qualifier to be allowed the same rights as others.
Left handed people aren't normal.
Natural red heads aren't normal.
Being Jewish isn't normal.

Do we deny them equal rights?

Conception is not a requirement of marriage. Sorry to burst your bubble, but infertile people have sex and get married. Elderly people have sex and get married. People who never want children have sex and get married.

I do love men, I have several men who I love dearly, but I am not romantically, or sexually attracted to them.
Could you be attracted to anyone of the opposite sex? If it is so easy to decide who you will be attracted to then go decide to be attracted to the same sex and let me know how that goes.

I was married to men twice. Both times ended in divorce because there was no sexual attraction, no passion. I love both of them to this day, but it is like I love my sister. We are good friends, that is all.
 
Old 03-29-2013, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Originally Posted by jjrose View Post
Normal isn't a qualifier to be allowed the same rights as others.
Left handed people aren't normal.
Natural red heads aren't normal.
Being Jewish isn't normal.

Do we deny them equal rights?

Conception is not a requirement of marriage. Sorry to burst your bubble, but infertile people have sex and get married. Elderly people have sex and get married. People who never want children have sex and get married.

I do love men, I have several men who I love dearly, but I am not romantically, or sexually attracted to them.
Could you be attracted to anyone of the opposite sex? If it is so easy to decide who you will be attracted to then go decide to be attracted to the same sex and let me know how that goes.

I was married to men twice. Both times ended in divorce because there was no sexual attraction, no passion. I love both of them to this day, but it is like I love my sister. We are good friends, that is all.
Good, sensible post.
 
Old 03-29-2013, 02:31 PM
 
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It gives validity in society to pathological and abnormal sexual socialization..
There is an old meme about how homosexuality is found in millions of species. It's not as abnormal as you would like people to believe.

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That abnormal behavior will cause permutation all areas of society. It will redefine gender roles in modern civilized society.
No it won't. Not at all.

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It already has. And I don't call that progress.
No it hasn't, and I do. Most people do too

That said, even though I don't agree with your concerns and don't really find any logic in them, I do appreciate you taking the time to respond.
 
Old 03-29-2013, 02:55 PM
 
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I'll take your point seriously as soon as you show me how you tried to get marriage changed to domestic partnership agreements before anyone started talking about same-sex marriage.
well, you can search this forum...

ive been saying this for as long as this has been an issue. As for trying to get it changed well, clearly im not very successful am I?


Seriously i have serious issues with the tact my peeps (Christians) are approaching this. We are defending State controled marriage as if it is sacred. There is nothing sacred about the state. Marriage, if it is a sacre rite (I believe it is), then God, NOT the state is the authority appealed to.

I would much rather the states approach be to create Domestic Partner/Primary Relationship law where there is no discrimination based on sexual orientation and leave "Marriage" to the individual to define based on their on understanding.
 
Old 03-29-2013, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Truly one of the silliest things I have ever read.
No, the truth is bizarre and creepy, denial is silly. First they ridicule, then they deny, then it is accepted as self-evident.... The homosexual movement is one born of fascism.

Dr. Scott Lively for years and he has literally been targeted by the fascist homosexuals ever since his most compelling—well researched—and not EVER-been-debunked-by-anyone book. (Wikipedia debunks it with no proof-ha).
BTW, it is the most interesting book I have ever read-—easy read and you totally understand homosexuality-—the roots of the evil, nasty, debasing behavior that Leftists/Marxists are trying to normalize in our children so to collapse culture. (Cultural Marxism-Marcuse). Since reading Lively’s book a decade ago, I have read many other books which uphold his premise in the book. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2923610/posts

Sample of his book:
http://www.thepinkswastika.com/5294/index.html

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At the door of the Bratwurstgloeckl, a tavern frequented by homosexual roughnecks and bully-boys, Roehm turned in and joined the handful of sexual deviants and occultists who were celebrating the success of a new campaign of terror. Their organization, once known as the German Worker’s Party, was now called the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, The National Socialist German Worker’s Party — the Nazis.

Yes, the Nazis met in a “gay” bar.

Famous events in Nazi history are also linked to homosexuality; events such as the burning of the German Reichstag in 1932, the 1938 pogrom called Kristallnacht, and the 1944 attempt on Hitler’s life. Even the enduring image of Nazi book-burning, familiar to us from newsreels of the 1930s, was directly related to the homosexuality of Nazi leaders. The first such incident occurred four days after Hitler’s Brownshirts broke into Magnus Hirschfeld’s Institute for Sexual Research in Berlin on May 6, 1933. On May 10 the Nazis burned thousands of books and files taken in that raid. The Institute had extensive records on the sexual perversions of numerous Nazi leaders, many of whom had been under treatment there prior to the beginning of the Nazi regime. Treatment at the Sex Research Institute was required by the German courts for persons convicted of sex crimes. Ludwig L. Lenz, the "gay" Assistant Director at the Institute at the time of the raid, managed to escape with his life and later wrote of the incident:


Here, on May 10th, 1933, the Nazis are seen holding their infamous "book burning." However, the bulk of the smoldering pile is not made of books, but of the records of Nazi perversions stolen from the Sex Research Institute of Berlin four days prior.
http://www.thepinkswastika.com/5294/index.html
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