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The "guy who's job it is to enforce gun laws" is the executive branch of the federal government. At it's head, the guy in the big white house in DC with the floppy ears. At a lower level, it's a function of the justice department, headed by Eric Holder. If you have a problem with people not doing their jobs, look no further.
What do you want to bet the OP is an Obama supporter regardless..
The "guy who's job it is to enforce gun laws" is the executive branch of the federal government. At it's head, the guy in the big white house in DC with the floppy ears. At a lower level, it's a function of the justice department, headed by Eric Holder. If you have a problem with people not doing their jobs, look no further.
Really? So a cop witnesses a crime happening, it's his police chief's responsibility to enforce the law? Or is this another weak attempt to skirt the issue that everyone who has any involvement in dealing w/ straw purchasers says the exact same thing: it's a broken law that's designed to be broken.
Really? So a cop witnesses a crime happening, it's his police chief's responsibility to enforce the law? Or is this another weak attempt to skirt the issue that everyone who has any involvement in dealing w/ straw purchasers says the exact same thing: it's a broken law that's designed to be broken.
Do you remember keying this?
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Originally Posted by EddieB.Good
1. The ATF hasn't even had a full-time Director in 7 or 8 years.
Do you know who's JOB it is to fill that position?
Really? So a cop witnesses a crime happening, it's his police chief's responsibility to enforce the law? Or is this another weak attempt to skirt the issue that everyone who has any involvement in dealing w/ straw purchasers says the exact same thing: it's a broken law that's designed to be broken.
That's like saying that the laws against murder are designed to be broken. Or lets say those against illegal drug use. If the people who have the job to enforce those laws (in this case the Executive branch of the federal government) don't DO THEIR JOBS, it doesn't mean that the law is "bad". It means you have incompenent people in charge of it's enforcement.
The incompetence of the feds with regards to gun issues goes far deeper. It is a federal felony for a convicted felon to possess a firearm, punishable by (IIRC) a 10 year prison sentence. (there are exceptions to those who have had their gun rights restored by the courts). But just how many multpile, repeat offender felons are actually punished by the feds? Very, very few.
We need to make the laws against criminal mis-use severe enough, and actually enforce them, in order that they are an actual deterrant to criminals. I'd go further and support new legislation that makes theft or possession of a stolen firearm a MANDATORY 10 year sentence per firearm. Lock up some scumbags and the others will get the message. In the case of the OP, do so with the purchaser.
Perhaps we need to go a bit further and create some new laws that allow criminal prosecution of the heads of federal agencies that refuse to do their jobs and enforce the very laws they are responsible for upholding.
So here we have it from someone whose job it is to enforce gun laws that all those things that Conservatives have been saying about straw purchasing amounts to nothing.
And now knowing that we have an effective deterrent against criminals getting their hands on guns, the logical solution would be to strengthen that deterrent, right? Not if you're a Republican.
That's like saying that the laws against murder are designed to be broken. Or lets say those against illegal drug use. If the people who have the job to enforce those laws (in this case the Executive branch of the federal government) don't DO THEIR JOBS, it doesn't mean that the law is "bad". It means you have incompenent people in charge of it's enforcement.
The incompetence of the feds with regards to gun issues goes far deeper. It is a federal felony for a convicted felon to possess a firearm, punishable by (IIRC) a 10 year prison sentence. (there are exceptions to those who have had their gun rights restored by the courts). But just how many multpile, repeat offender felons are actually punished by the feds? Very, very few.
We need to make the laws against criminal mis-use severe enough, and actually enforce them, in order that they are an actual deterrant to criminals. I'd go further and support new legislation that makes theft or possession of a stolen firearm a MANDATORY 10 year sentence per firearm. Lock up some scumbags and the others will get the message. In the case of the OP, do so with the purchaser.
I've given you all the facts. Explain the incompetence involved. The ATF gave the case to prosecutors and the prosecutors told them "You don't have a case." It's so easy to throw out generic talking points, so here's your chance to expound on it. Please explain the incompetence involved.
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Originally Posted by alphamale
So the answer is to make another law that the feds will ignore?
Explain how the Feds are "ignoring" a law when they bring the case to prosecutors and prosecutors say "You don't have a case."
Why is what complicated to me? Feds witnessing them commit a crime is not complicated to me. What's complicated to me is witnessing them commit a crime but that crime not being prosecutable EVER. Best case scenario, if the Feds get all their ducks in order, the NEXT time they do that exact same thing, it'll be prosecutable.
Actually, I'm done w/ you. You've repeatedly proven that you don't read posts, that you can't think logically, and you're partisan to the point where you turn your brain off when faced w/ facts. I don't have anyone else on ignore.
You're exactly the non-thinking partisan that causes the gridlock in this country b/c you can't get past the fact that otherside has the right idea. You'd rather be stupid & wrong, then bipartisan & moving the country forward.
The federal government had absolutely no desire to keep F&F in the news. They were happy to allow it to drop. They weren't about to press these prosecutions because the entire thing made them look bad.
Explain how the Feds are "ignoring" a law when they bring the case to prosecutors and prosecutors say "You don't have a case."
Once again, just because you say that this is what is happening doesn't make it a fact. Just because you read somewhere someone else saying this was how it is, doesn't make it a fact.
Many places are prosecuting this. As this article notes, the places that aren't used to do a better job. How is it that they could prosecute people before but now all of a sudden they cant and how is it that other places can?
Gabby Gifford's husband Mark Kelly was denied an AR-15 purchase because he lied on the 4473. Shouldn't he be prosecuted?
And it also made national news when his daughters dog killed a baby seal, and caught on film...
Seems like bad karma is following that family. Maybe it's because they want to punish millions of gun owners for what one nut job did to Gabby.
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