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Heterosexuals have civil unions all the time. A civil union is performed by a judge at a courthouse.
No. It's about changing the definition of marriage, as well as redefining gender roles in society. It is highly political. And behind every political struggle for recognition is an agenda.
Agenda = a list of items open for discussion to facilitate a result.
You mean like 'redefining' the word VOTER from "white male property owner", to a male or female of any race who is over 18 and a citizen?
Scary stuff!
The definition of "voter" was always "someone who casts a ballot in an election." The list of qualifications for a particular election is not part of the definition. If 3 boys in a treehouse limit voting to males under the age of 11, have they changed the definition of "voter?" No.
The first recorded same-sex marriage was documented on an Egyptian tomb wall 4,000 years ago.
At least two Roman Emperors legally married a same-sex spouse.
Who gives a flying fig about Egypt 4,000 years ago. When people speak of redefining marriage or the tradition of marriage, isn't it plain they're speaking of the USA. Though the reasons for, ages, and other aspects of the qualifications have changed, woman-man was a stable, unquestioned qualification.
Disagree. Changing from man and a woman to two adults is a pretty big deal and a big change.
For who? It makes no change whatsoever nor affects the relationships between heterosexual married couples in any way. Who it affects are those who are not heterosexual, and those are changes that THEY want and believe they need.
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I dont know how else to put it, but same sex couples are indeed different than man and a woman.
Who gives a flying fig about Egypt 4,000 years ago. When people speak of redefining marriage or the tradition of marriage, isn't it plain they're speaking of the USA. Though the reasons for, ages, and other aspects of the qualifications have changed, woman-man was a stable, unquestioned qualification.
If this issue was only an American issue, you might have a point. But it isn't, so, what was your point?
Well, you're wrong. It's not a religious term. Christians like to think they "own" the word marriage, but for some reason they don't have an issue with Muslims, Jews, or Atheists getting married and calling themselves married. They aren't pushing for "civil unions" for Atheists. Hell, if a man and a woman want to get married right now in a twisted Satanic ritual, pledging allegiance to the devil, they can do so, and it's a legal marriage. So why, when we talk about GAY marriage, do people all of a sudden want to scream that marriage in the United States today has ANYTHING to do with religion?
And today, we do NOT force Christian churches to marry anyone they don't want to. They are not, and have never been, forced to perform marriages for Muslims, Jews, etc. etc. Why on Earth would that change just because we now allow gay people to get married? Seriously, these arguments make no sense. They are all about people simply being afraid of change and people who are different from them, even though it does not affect them in the slightest.
If this issue was only an American issue, you might have a point. But it isn't, so, what was your point?
I suppose some ssm advocates in the USA donate, lobby, and care deeply about ssm in France, Bolivia, China and Uganda. Most opinions are based on laws in this country. Egypt 4,000 years ago is as irrelevant as you can get, on the same par as the Bible.
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Gay Marriage means society at large will subsidize other people's sexual shenanigans.
You want to play with your buddys junk - knock yourself out - just don't expect for me to pay for it or subsidize children being raised in this environment that will only produce children by engaging in sexual relations outside your "union".
You want to play with your wife's junk - knock yourself out - just don't expect gay and lesbian people to pay for it or subsidize children being raised in this environment that will only produce children who are as ignorant and biogoted as their parents.
(Actually that's probably not true. Your children will probably be more educated and less bigoted and prejudiced than their parents)
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