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[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by Oldglory

Speaking of lying you can't keep your own lies straight. You denied that "immigration" played a role at all. Reagan thought he was only amnestying 300,000 illegal immigrant when 3 million came forward. He was also promised that would be the last amnesty and the borders would be secured. Well we all know how well that went, don't we. He lived to regret the amnesty that he signed. As for Bush I had no use for him on the illegal immigration issue either. You see I am not a partisan hack. I judge a politician by their actions not their party affiliation.

There have been numerous topics posted in the illegal immigration forum about states voting for in-state tuition for illegals. You might want to educate yourself on that issue also instead of calling people liars that aren't lying.

Again, where did i say that ? I know what i wrote, and i said this is an education issue and not an immigration one. you can kick out as many illegals as you want, it still wouldnt solve the problem, but education would do far more. saying this is about Education is not the same as saying this is not about immigration at all. You are jumping to conclusions

I never called you a liar based on the Reagan information, I called you a liar based on your interpretation on what i posted based on education and immigration.

I called you partisan based on you saying President Obama did not care about Americans.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by Oldglory

Evidently, Obama doesn't care about blacks or any other Americans

Speaking of college he is also an advocate for these illegals to remain here and attend our colleges and at a reduced tuition also. Where is his concern for the blacks wanting to attend college that you speak of?

You are so non partisan.

Originally Posted by dsjj251

3. There is no reduced tuition for illegal immigrants, they wouldnt pay anything less than the state tuition. Why even lie ?

here is my quote about illegals and college education, it is exactly what you typed 10 minutes later, yet you say i need to get educated on the subject, that makes no sense.

Originally Posted by Oldglory

Reagan thought he was only amnestying 300,000 illegal immigrant when 3 million came forward. He was also promised that would be the last amnesty and the borders would be secured. Well we all know how well that went, don't we. He lived to regret the amnesty that he signed. As for Bush I had no use for him on the illegal immigration issue either. You see I am not a partisan hack. I judge a politician by their actions not their party affiliation.

There have been numerous topics posted in the illegal immigration forum about states voting for in-state tuition for illegals. You might want to educate yourself on that issue also instead of calling people liars that aren't lying.

You never accused Reagan of not caring about Americans did you ? sounds partisan to me

[Motion]

Originally Posted by EdwardA

It's easy to say Blacks should own businesses but if many don't have competitive skills on the job market how are they going to stay in business.

Well one group of blacks who need to go into business more are college educated blacks. In the past or since the 60's and 70's most of them have gone to work in white companies or gov't jobs with few starting their own businesses. This is one reason the black middle class is made up of mostly gov't workers. These college educated blacks have the education and skills to run more successfull larger businesses that could employ more people.

Also while Black business owners maybe sympathetic to black applicants they still are going to want applicants with the skills required. I'm reminded of Black landscape owner who tried to hire black men but they weren't dependable and had to hire Hispanics who were more dependable.

I have no problem with black businesses hiring non blacks if not enough black workers work out.

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

Again, where did i say that ? I know what i wrote, and i said this is an education issue and not an immigration one. you can kick out as many illegals as you want, it still wouldnt solve the problem, but education would do far more. saying this is about Education is not the same as saying this is not about immigration at all. You are jumping to conclusions

I never called you a liar based on the Reagan information, I called you a liar based on your interpretation on what i posted based on education and immigration.

I called you partisan based on you saying President Obama did not care about Americans.

So now you turn around and admit the truth of what you said initially? That is exactly what you denied before that you said that education is the only factor and not "immigraton". But I am the liar? I see, so you can kick out all the illegals that are here and that won't free up jobs for blacks or other Americans? You're kidding, right?

Obama doesn't care about Americans since he already gave 1.8 million illegals a stay of deportation with work permits not to mention that he has told HS not to deport any of them that don't have a felony "conviction". The next step is the big amnesty. I don't agree with what Reagan did either but it was to be the last amnesty with congress promising to secure our borders. Yeah right, here we are again only on a much larger scale and our borders weren't secured. I had no use for Bush period including his stance on illegal immigration. I didn't even vote for him so put that in your pipe and smoke it!

[stick2dascript]

Originally Posted by DoD Guy

Just another case of minorities blaming their personal failures on their skin color.
Never hear Asians doing that, but they believe in education vs hip hop, so that's easily explained.
On to the next complaint...

Black women don't really follow hip hop.

Anything else? And alot of them are still struggling.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by Oldglory

So now you turn around and admit the truth of what you said initially? That is exactly what you denied before that you said that education is the only factor and not "immigraton". But I am the liar? I see, so you can kick all the illegals that are here and that won't free up jobs for blacks or other Americans? You're kidding, right?

Obama doesn't care about Americans since he already gave 1.8 million illegals a stay of deportation with work permits not to mention that he has told HS not to deport any of them that don't have a felony "conviction". The next step is the big amnesty. I don't agree with what Reagan did either but it was to be the last amnesty with congress promising to secure our borders. Yeah right, here we are again only on a much larger scale and our borders weren't secured. I had no use for Bush period including his stance on illegal immigration. I didn't even vote for him so put that in your pipe and smoke it!

Ok, you have got to be trolling.

Where did i say that immigration does not matter at all. Quote where i said immigration does not matter at all. I have said time and time again on this forum that Education matters far MORE than immigration, but i have never once said it didnt matter. Once again you lie to make a case.

The majority of illegals ( going by the government estimates you posted) are children and elderly. These are the lowest wage jobs in the nation, there are currently 3 million job openings in the U.S. many of them in service companies that would pay more than these agricultural and service jobs that would come open.

so no, it wouldnt make a significant dent.

So if you think Obama doesnt care about Americans, then simply say that neither did Reagan and Bush since their plans gave amnesty to 3 million illegals and (bush's proposal) would have given amnesty to the majority of the 10 million illegals in the nation at that time.

Bush Amnesty Plan Raises Immigration Concerns | Fox News

just say it, since at this point, Reagan gave amnesty to more people than Obama, and Bush would have given it to almost the entire illegal population

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

Ok, you have got to be trolling.

Where did i say that immigration does not matter at all. Quote where i said immigration does not matter at all. I have said time and time again on this forum that Education matters far MORE than immigration, but i have never once said it didnt matter. Once again you lie to make a case.

The majority of illegals ( going by the government estimates you posted) are children and elderly. These are the lowest wage jobs in the nation, there are currently 3 million job openings in the U.S. many of them in service companies that would pay more than these agricultural and service jobs that would come open.

so no, it wouldnt make a significant dent.

So if you think Obama doesnt care about Americans, then simply say that neither did Reagan and Bush since their plans gave amnesty to 3 million illegals and (bush's proposal) would have given amnesty to the majority of the 10 million illegals in the nation at that time.

Bush Amnesty Plan Raises Immigration Concerns | Fox News

just say it, since at this point, Reagan gave amnesty to more people than Obama, and Bush would have given it to almost the entire illegal population

Re-read your post#22. Quote: "THis is an educational issue, not an immigration one". So you're the one lying, not me. Trolling? Is that what you call discussing and expressing one's viewpoints?

Oh my God, you are so misinformed. Most illegals here are young adults of the working and childbering age, not children and the elderly. How would they get here on their own for God's sake! The jobs they are holding use to pay a decent wage like construction, landscaping, janitorial and any other number of blue collared jobs that Americans have always done. Only 3% of illegals are picking crops. But yeah, their removal from our country wouldn't make much of a difference for job opportunities for all Americans, right? Some of those jobs are entry jobs for our American youth also.

I already said I disagreed with what Reagan did but it was under different circumstances. I already said I had no use for Bush so why do you keep talking about them? Selective reading comprehension problem perhaps?

I am done with this discussion with you. Based on all of the above. Welcome to my ignore list.

[Kracer]

Obama feels comfortable sacrificing 'blacks' to achieve his socialist political agenda and his constituents are quite content with the outcome.... they re-elected him.

Tell it to the hand.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by Oldglory

Re-read your post#22. Quote: "THis is an educational issue, not an immigration one". So you're the one lying, not me. Trolling? Is that what you call discussing and expressing one's viewpoints?

Oh my God, you are so misinformed. Most illegals here are young adults of the working and childbering age, not children and the elderly. How would they get here on their own for God's sake! The jobs they are holding use to pay a decent wage like construction, landscaping, janitorial and any other number of blue collared jobs that Americans have always done. Only 3% of illegals are picking crops. But yeah, their removal from our country wouldn't make much of a difference for job opportunities for all Americans, right? Some of those jobs are entry jobs for our American youth also.

I already said I disagreed with what Reagan did but it was under different circumstances. I already said I had no use for Bush so why do you keep talking about them? Selective reading comprehension problem perhaps?

I am done with this discussion with you. Based on all of the above. Welcome to my ignore list.

Saying that this is an education problem and not an immigration problem is not the same as saying immigration does not matter at all, again, you jumped to conclusions and were wrong. You have done the same before when Revenue vs spending cuts are talked about. It is even worse here because i have clarified my self 5x's over.

I called you a troll because you seem to not care that you are wrong, but only that you are heard.

Working and childbearing age, what does that even mean ? 13 year olds are of working and childbearing age. most people still consider those children.

your construction job argument has been debunked time and time again

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/ma...anted=all&_r=0

The one with selective reading comprehension is you. either admit you are partisan or say they dont care about americans. it is that simple.

They did the exact same thing you are attacking Obama for not putting them all in the same boat by your logic. it doesnt matter if the circumstances were different, Your comment was about Americans needing jobs, that circumstance did not change among the 3 of them.

[GuyNTexas]

Originally Posted by Iamme73

This is just not the truth. This is not an opinion thing. This is a know the relevant facts thing.

Look at the unemployment rate for Black Americans since 1972 it is basically double the American unemployment rate.

So not only does this nation tolerate much higher rates of black unemployment this state of affairs is the norm and has been for a very long time. Looking at the hard cold data there is no opinion only the reality that the BET founder was 100% correct.

In fact, the lowest black unemployment rate in the last 41 years is 7.0%. That is the lowest. Right now people are complaining that the job situation sucks and it is not much higher than the lowest unemployment rate for black Americans in the last 41 years.

It is one thing to cite facts .. and altogether another thing to actually understand what those facts are telling you. And I'm going to give you an ear full of facts and explanations that you are certainly not going to like hearing, but you'd be wise to listen.

First, any unemployment rate between 3-5% is considered "full employment" due to the fact that there is no such thing a 0% rate .... as there is an element within the 3-5% range that are voluntarily not working or incapable of working ... i.e. lazy, disabled, unfit, etc. So when you cite figures like 7% unemployment for blacks as being the lowest, with the underlying inference that this was bad, the reality is, that is as close to 0% unemployment as could be expected in a community in which there is a perpetual 5% that are simply unemployable or unwilling to do what is necessary to be employed. Part of the confusion is understandable because of the prolific lies continuously spouted by the left dominated media who insist that the overall unemployment rate today is 7-8%, when you'd have to have rocks in your head to believe that. The actual unemployment rate is between 18-22%, and contrary to the continued lies, it is not getting better, and will not be getting better so long as current policies continue to advance under your left wing communist, anti-American saviors who pander to and rely on your ignorance for their political survival.

Now listen up, because of all of the points I wish to make, this one is perhaps the most important. The institutionalized racism that does indeed exist in this country emanates from the very leadership that you support and tirelessly defend. The left democrats, YOUR SAVIORS, are actually the ones that have placed you on their "plantation", and their political operatives like Jackson, and Sharpton are the snake oil salesman that continue to whisper in your ear the racist mantra that those evil right wingers are out to get you, and that only they can save you from the wolf at the door. Now, for a dose of historic reality .... the democrats, dating back long before you and I were born, have historically been referred to as the "War Party" .... that's right ... I know that doesn't jibe with the BS that fills your head, but go look it up. Don't take my word for it. While you're at it, also familiarize yourself with the fact that the Democratic party, initially created in opposition to federalist big government ideology, and also the main opposition to Lincoln (the Republican) before and during the civil war, were the traditional enemy of black people. The shift of ideology of the Democratic party was out of necessity of survival, as it transformed itself to become the big government/socialist party pandering to minorities for it's waning support. And this is also an undeniable reality ... look now to whom the Communist Party of America, and the Socialist Party of America supports .... the democrats, 100%

So, right wing conservatives (which, by the way do not comprise the majority of the current republican party, which are in reality leftists posing as conservatives, [like Bush]) are not the enemy of black people ... that has been the leftist propaganda you've been bombarded with all your life. They are the ones that have you firmly brainwashed and on their plantation ... knowing that no matter what, they can count on you as their impenetrable wall of support, for mere promises. They don't actually have to deliver on those promises ... they only need to make them, and then blame the "other guys" for preventing them from actually delivering. It's an old game, and black people by and large seem none the wiser to it. Those black people that do "get it" are ridiculed.

What's my real point here? It is this .... conservatives do not oppose you because you are black and they are racists. They oppose you because you are the unwitting tools of the enemies of our country, who's big government, socialist-communist-progressive agenda is DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY and our collective futures, which includes your future too. You don't understand how self destructive you are, because you're heads are too filled with propaganda, and the chip on your shoulder has grown too large to allow you to reconsider your views and begin seeing through the smoke and mirrors, and the deliberate efforts to keep you RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE. The hostile attitude, and this mythical BS about fairness and equality (that never has, and never will exist in a world that best operates and advances individual accomplishment through competition), are the tactics being used against you, so that you'll continue to support your own self limitation. The only equality that you can expect to see from the leftist ideology is that we will ALL eventually be equally poor, and equally dependent on government hand outs, which is the express goal, for total population control .... because that IS what socialism-communism is.

All of this racial, gender, sexual orientation tension (which is again on the rise) is being deliberately fomented by the left, for the sole purpose of keeping the population as a whole, fighting against each other, rather than fighting against the gangsters (the 1%) robbing all of us blind, and destroying all of our collective futures ... yours too.

Will you even entertain these ideas? Probably not. Why? Because you have been so well trained, and so indoctrinated with the idea that you are powerless on your own, and need the Al Sharptons' and Jesse Jacksons' and the thousands of organizations named "National Association of Black {fill in the blank}" that you just won't even try to open your eyes. It's so much easier to believe that the deck is stacked against you, and that any failure is not due to any failure of your own ... it's a psychological safe house that shields you from having to take personal responsibility for your own life. It's comforting, perhaps, but it's also defeating you. Because as long as you rely on, and believe these charlatans and snake oil salesmen when they tell you that you cannot be successful in this world without them, you'll remain under their control, which is right where they want you to remain.

The hard cold truth is, there is no more despicable form of slavery than the brand that disempowers and creates dependency, under the false pretense of helping. You don't help a child by doing his homework for him ... you're just making sure that he will learn nothing. And you do not help the person by enrolling them in an endless program of welfare, which provides just enough to survive, but not enough to become self sufficient. And you certainly don't help people by telling them that the world is against them, and will not allow them to be successful and self sufficient. You simply guarantee that those people who believe that, will remain dependent, forever.

The overall truth is found in the old axiom ... "a high tide raises all boats", and guess what, that is the essence of free market ideology, and economic prosperity. Because, when you start stripping the more wealthy of their income (based on this asinine idea of socialist big government and higher taxes to offer handouts), it is those at the bottom that suffer the most. When you hit businesses with higher taxes, who do you think will actually pay for those increases? YOU! You'll pay for it in higher costs for the products those businesses provide ... they are not going to take the hit ... you are. When taxes rise, more money is taken out of the general economy and that hurts everyone, and businesses will respond by reducing costs (eliminating jobs), which always start with the guys at the bottom. And boy old boy, all those jobs that have flown overseas ... much of the cause of unemployment .... all those wonderful "free trade" agreements that your democratic saviors were the most vocal and active supporters. The republicans too .. these two parties are really joined at the hip .... because the real conservatives ... the few still remaining, are considered you biggest enemies .... when the truth is, they are the only friends America has left.

Now if you still refuse to believe that the left is your enemy, consider some of the foundations of leftist policy:

1) Gun Control - look at the early history of gun control in America, and you'll see that it's purpose was to deny black people the ability to own firearms. The KKK were extreme advocates of gun control, which is a central theme of the left.

2) Abortion - look around PAL ... you don't see abortion clinics in the rich white neighborhoods, do you? Of course you don't ... they are primarily in the poor communities, much of which a black inner city communities. And HOW DARE THOSE RIGHT WING RACISTS who want to deny you the convenience of killing your babies in masse, and thank goodness for the leftists who make sure you have easy access, and a little public funding to pay for those abortions, if you can't manage the costs on your own. Yay!

3) Illegal Immigration - the left wants these immigrants to have free access too ... free access to enter, take jobs, get free healthcare, and all for one reason .... democrats cannot have too many slaves on the plantation ... they want these illegals here because every last one of them will support the left agenda, that is destroying our country's economic prosperity, which includes YOU TOO. Do you benefit from Millions of illegals being here? Hell no you don't ... you'll be the the one's that suffer the most, because there is only so much free stuff to be passed around ... the more they get, the less you'll have available to help you, but apparently, that rather obvious reality escapes you.

4) ObamaCare - guaranteed to reduce the number of jobs available, and also will result in those low paying full time jobs that exist now, to be reduced to part time jobs (under 30 hours) to avoid having to comply with providing insurance. Talk about self destruction .... in the midst of an economic crisis and rising unemployment, and 40 - 50 Million Americans now on food stamps .... isn't it a great idea to DESTROY the essence of constitutional freedom by forcing people to buy insurance they cannot afford, under the penalty of law and fines, while worsening the unemployment figures at the same time!! That's a great one-two punch in the face and groin, and there you all are, WAVING THOSE OBAMA SIGNS .... yay OBAMA! IDIOTS!!! That is the only word for it. But don't worry, the leftists always have a box of BS stories to feed you ... and this is one that I GUARANTEE is all ready and waiting ... when employer X who currently has 12 full time employees, making minimum wage and barely surviving with 40 hours a week pay, that employer, thanks to ObamaCare will simply hire 3 more people, and reduce all 12 employees to less than 30 hours a week, with the 3 new employees picking up the slack. Now, everyone will take a 25% cut in pay, and the employer won't have to pay for health insurance. And, to add insult to injury, your leftist liar in the White House will claim MORE JOBS!!! YAY!!!! Things are getting better, because employer X hired 3 new people!!! They just won't tell you the rest of the story about the 12 people who were forced to eat a 25% cut in hours and pay. Details, details.

I could go on, but why bother ... you know better, I'm a racist, and that's all there is to it. But you're gonna find out eventually .... but by then, it will be too late to do anything about it, if we leave the decisions up to you. That's why us "racists" have to dismiss you as the enemy ... not that you are actually our enemy, because you really aren't ... but since you insist on supporting the enemy, because you don't know any better, and refuse to listen, you leave us no choice in the matter.