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No, it does not. Why is 2-3% of AGI "no contribution"? I assume by the phrase "no contribution", you mean the ordinary sense of the phrase in standard English?
In almost all social countries. Those families making 30k are still required to pay much more than 2%.
You cannot fully fund a system without these people contributing more than 2%.
The money doesn't appear out of no where. The math doesn't add up to pay for the system if those making 30k only contribute 2-3%.
In almost all social countries. Those families making 30k are still required to pay much more than 2%.
You cannot fully fund a system without these people contributing more than 2%.
The money doesn't appear out of no where. The math doesn't add up to pay for the system if those making 30k only contribute 2-3%.
So I take it you have now revised your view, and accept that 2-3% of AGI is in fact a contribution, contrary to what you said previously. However, your contention is that, while it is a contribution, it is an insufficient contribution, and in your view these low-earning people should pay more.
What then is your recommendation? How much of their income should the poor pay for health insurance?
In almost all social countries. Those families making 30k are still required to pay much more than 2%.
You cannot fully fund a system without these people contributing more than 2%.
The money doesn't appear out of no where. The math doesn't add up to pay for the system if those making 30k only contribute 2-3%.
In the UK, the NHS is funded from National Insurance contributions (which also cover old age pensions - similar to social security). The employee rate is 12% and the employer rate is 13.8%. There is a lower and upper threshold where contributions are not due:
Bottom line: the US health industry is a big business. Again: read the Time magazine report from March 4,
2013 "Bitter Pill Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us." "For every member of Congress there are more than
7 lobbyists working for various parts of the health care industry." One example are the "chargemasters"
who assign prices to everything (hospitals) & affects our country's medical crisis. They "factor in not
only direct costs but also allocate expenses such as overhead, capital expenses, executive salaries,
insurance, differences in regional costs of living and more. The stories and examples of grossly
overcharges for medications, supplies, blood tests etc... and how these charges are distributed,
paid and defended should be a wake up call.
Some posts may be very lucky, wealthy or have amazing insurance....but how long will your luck
last?
As a worker who has worked and paid taxes nearly 40 years, my luck ran out 7 years ago when my working wife became ill. And that was the end of a good run not using our insurance. When it was needed it failed us in quick order. Allowing us to fall between the cracks that opened wide and swallowed both of us, both the sick and the non-sick.
singlepayer...would cost 3 to 6 trillion in the USA to cover the 320 million people...depending on the EXTENT of the coverage (ie 3 trillion for a 80/20 policy with many things not covered...or 6 trillion with a 100% (medicaid type) coverage minus cosmetic)
we have 120 million tax FILERS
of those 120 million tax FILERS nearly 50% dont have a positive tax liability (pay taxes)
3 trillion divided by (the full filers) 120 million is 25k
6 trillion divided by 120 million is 50k
3 trillion divided by 65 million (high estimeate of actual tax payers) is 46k
6 trillion divided by 65 million is 90k
can the average tax payer afford 25k - 90k in taxes ANNUALLY????
singlepayer...would cost 3 to 6 trillion in the USA to cover the 320 million people...depending on the EXTENT of the coverage (ie 3 trillion for a 80/20 policy with many things not covered...or 6 trillion with a 100% (medicaid type) coverage minus cosmetic)
we have 120 million tax FILERS
of those 120 million tax FILERS nearly 50% dont have a positive tax liability (pay taxes)
3 trillion divided by (the full filers) 120 million is 25k
6 trillion divided by 120 million is 50k
3 trillion divided by 65 million (high estimeate of actual tax payers) is 46k
6 trillion divided by 65 million is 90k
can the average tax payer afford 25k - 90k in taxes ANNUALLY????
No. Canadians all have excellent healthcare, and due to that, they can read right through American right wing anti-health care propaganda BS far better than people in the U.S,. who have never been further than their local 7-11.
A) Show me where that happens;
B) You have to wait in the US, and they may not pay your bills when it's over.
WhooHooo...you only have to wait 4.1 weeks after your cancer diagnosis to start treatment... I have two friends whose dh's are battling cancer right now. Treatment started the next day. Phone calls were made that day.
"There is also a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. While Ontario reports the shortest total wait in 2012 (14.9 weeks); New Brunswick reports the longest at 35.1 weeks. The same is true of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopaedic surgery (39.6 weeks), while those waiting for medical oncology begin treatment in 4.1 weeks."
My only experience with Candaian health care is a couple of decades old. One women in my lamaze class was coming from Canada to have her baby in the US because she waited until she was pregnant to find an OB/GYN and couldn't get an appointment until after her baby would be born. Dh had a friend who came across the border to have open heart surgery here (paid cash) because he was given 6 months to live and put on a 12 month wait list for surgery. He chose life at his own expense. I understand wait times are better now.
My doctor also left Canada to practice medicin here in the 1990's. I understand the migration has slowed or stopped since then. My guess is the recession and slow recovery here have something to do with that.
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