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Old 04-01-2013, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Single payer is a huge economic issue. Single payer saves individuals, families, businesses, and the government a lot of money.
No, health insurance is a social issue. It's not an economic issue for the USG.
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Old 04-01-2013, 10:08 AM
Status: "Biden won." (set 9 days ago)
 
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Anyone that desires to own an AR-15 has a right to own an AR-15. They are effective on varmints from rat to human size and have become quite reliable. They are also decent target rifles.

I would rather have an M-1A with detachable magazines. I, personally, have no use for fully automatic submachine guns but they are fun to shoot.

In fact there are no evil guns. There are plenty of evil, unstable and/or downright dangerous people. You have to be wary of them not their guns.
Weird. I didn't think I would ever see another person like me that doesn't have a problem with AR-15's and also supports a single payer health care system.
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Old 04-01-2013, 10:09 AM
Status: "Biden won." (set 9 days ago)
 
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No, health insurance is a social issue. It's not an economic issue for the USG.
You could argue that it is slightly a social issue, but the economic benefits are far more highlighted.
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Old 04-01-2013, 11:43 AM
 
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This is a liberal country ready for real liberal policies.
No it's not.

I think what you mean is that you are ready to cram liberal policy down everyone's throats.
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Old 04-01-2013, 11:47 AM
 
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This country is by far right leaning.

Go to Europe, or Canada, or South America, and try to tell me America leans left.

Obama is too conservative to even.be.a candidate in Europe, save for the UK maybe.
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Old 04-01-2013, 11:49 AM
 
Location: NC
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- Campaign finance - public funding of all elections.
I agree anything else is pretty much bribery by another name.
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Old 04-01-2013, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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well I wouldn't call a federal law mandating paid vacation time socialism. Socialism is when the government controls the means of production. This would just be a federal labor law.

I think workers in this country not getting paid vacation leads to a host of social problems. They become more stressed.They are more strained and alienated from society. The higher stress levels lead to more crime. Its dehumanizing for someone to work work work and never get a vacation.

When I lived and worked in Britain one thing I learned is that all work was honorable. That's how Britons feel. Yet, in American society there is a large segment of the population that puts down low wage workers. I'm not sure why this is. I don't think its sinister and I don't think they want them to feel dehumanized. But there's a little bit of "yeah i made it to where i am, why can't you?" attitude here in the U.S

Maybe one reason all work is considered honorable in Britain is because its easier for people to get on public assistance and housing benefits. Those people that abuse that system are looked down upon and should be. But I never ever saw someone say "hey look at that min wage worker..what a *******." Instead you hear "good lad, puttin a shift in". But here in the U.S the attitude toward the low wage worker is similar to the attitude in Britain towards the public assistance abuser.
This post is so ridiculous that it has got to be a righty pretending to be a lefty. I must say whoever this, your ruse is hilarious. Kudos!
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Old 04-01-2013, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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This thread started wrong by asserting that the USA is a liberal country.

The actual political leanings of the US doesn't change much over time. The majority of the country is roughly centrist holding both left and right views. The USA is not a liberal country.

As much as I like my friends from the UK, there is little about the UK I want to emulate.

The USA is no doubt a hard working country. GDP per capita is 33% higher for the US than it is for UK.

This thread will deteriorate quickly into a gun debate since the OP takes the common position that banning large capacity magazines and "assault weapons" will somehow save lives. It has already been proven that such a ban has no effect on crime rates nor homicides specifically.

We have issues with health care in the US. But I do not believe a single payer system run by our government is the answer.
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Old 04-01-2013, 12:34 PM
 
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President Obama was far too timid during his first term to push for progressive policies. Obama has a progressive streak in him but he's governed like a pragmatic centrist. This is why the left wing of the democratic party has been unhappy with his presidency.

This is a liberal country ready for real liberal policies. Yet, even with a democratic house and senate the best we could do was the Affordable Care Act, which is a conservative solution(first promoted by the Heritage Foundation in the 90's) to America's health care problem.

Liberals should call for the following:

- Universal single payer health care modeled after the Canadian system.

- guaranteed vacation time for all workers. We are the only country in the developed world that doesn't mandate by law guaranteed vacation time for workers. You have people in this country that work 50 and 60 hours a week and never get a vacation. This isn't just wrong it is IMMORAL. Everyone who works should be guaranteed paid vacation time. Even conservatives in European countries recognize the benefits of this. A rested workforce is a revitalized work force. A stressed work force is not good for society or the individual.

- gun control - universal background checks. Banishment of high capacity assault weapons. There is no reason someone should be allowed to own an AR-15. You can't make an argument for needing one.

- Campaign finance - public funding of all elections.
He could have done all this with Executive Orders - he just didn't want to.
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Old 04-01-2013, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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Weird. I didn't think I would ever see another person like me that doesn't have a problem with AR-15's and also supports a single payer health care system.
Haha...this is why I like New Hamphirites (?). You can't pidgeonhole them. I am a cranky New Englander myself (though I grew up on the west coast!).
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