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View Poll Results: Should we support science with taxpayer dollars?
Yes, pure research and applied research have yielded great innovations. 62 79.49%
Yes, but only strictly applied research for important problems. 10 12.82%
Yes, but it is way overfunded. 6 7.69%
No. Scientists are just mercenaries and self-promoters. 3 3.85%
No. Scientists are pushing a liberal agenda for their liberal employers. 5 6.41%
No. All the questions science tries to ask have been answered by religion already. 1 1.28%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 78. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-03-2013, 11:49 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Where's the check box for:

"No, government's only job is to protect our rights, it should do that effectively and economically enough that it leaves us with enough of our money that we can decide which science to support ourselves."

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Old 04-03-2013, 11:50 AM
 
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Is this serious?


Humans are top of the food chain because of our brains and ability to reason, and you choose to forego that.

How is knowledge uncertainty? They're antonyms!



As far as I'm concerned you're no better than a monkey in the circus. Take orders, do nothing for yourself, just pretend like juggling bananas and climbing poles is all there is.
That's Greg being Greg, bro. Lol...stick around and you'll find out who is who.
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:50 AM
 
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If we can afford to give tax breaks to organized religion, then we can afford to fund science.
The money saved by churches for being tax exempt is enough to eradicate global starvation. but the pope's golden throne needs more jewels on it.
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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If we can afford to give tax breaks to organized religion, then we can afford to fund science.
Don't forget farm subsidies, oil, and defense subsidies. All are investments of a sort. Or that is what we are to believe.
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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The case of Russian geneticist Trofim Lysenko provides an interesting parable. Lysenko gained favor with Stalin and his theories were granted exclusivity in Russia and the rest of the Soviet bloc. Scientists with the temerity to disagree were sometimes jailed or executed.

Lysenkoism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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In 1948, genetics was officially declared "a bourgeois pseudoscience";[10] all geneticists were fired from their jobs (some were also arrested), and all genetic research was discontinued. Nikita Khrushchev, who claimed to be an expert in agricultural science, also valued Lysenko as a great scientist, and the taboo on genetics continued (but all geneticists were released or rehabilitated posthumously). The ban was only waived in the mid-1960s.
Thus, Lysenkoism caused serious, long-term harm to Soviet knowledge of biology. It represented a serious failure of the early Soviet leadership to find real solutions to agricultural problems, throwing their support behind a charlatan at the expense of many human lives.
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:55 AM
 
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Don't forget farm subsidies, oil, and defense subsidies. All are investments of a sort. Or that is what we are to believe.
At least subsidies have some intended purpose, tax exemption for the church (who enjoys lobbying the government to no end) is ridiculous.


You want us to legislate based on your beliefs? Try paying taxes like the rest of us first.
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Old 04-03-2013, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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At least subsidies have some intended purpose, tax exemption for the church (who enjoys lobbying the government to no end) is ridiculous.


You want us to legislate based on your beliefs? Try paying taxes like the rest of us first.
Whoa! You must have taken me as a religious person. No. Actually, I am, but I don't want a tax break, or to talk about it. My business.

I am guessing the tax exempt status for churches is because that supposedly allows them to do good works. I suspect that is true in many cases. My home town church was full of good folks, but the megahuge, touchdown for Jesus churches are as corrupt and sleazy as any corporation. I grew up with the gagfest of Swaggart, Baker, Falwell, and Roberts. What a bunch of sleazebags. Those are basically corporations, shilling Jesus for fools. Rush Limbaugh is just a televangelist, shilling politics.
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Old 04-03-2013, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Absolutely. This shouldn't even be a question. We should -always- fund research and innovation. Heck, I'd say take budget from defense to put it towards science. We spend -way- too much on defense as is.
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Old 04-03-2013, 07:20 PM
 
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The results of this poll are much better than I had anticipated. Science is the way forward and we should fund it as much as necessary.
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Old 04-03-2013, 07:26 PM
 
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The results of this poll are much better than I had anticipated. Science is the way forward and we should fund it as much as necessary.
I suspect it means that more people read this forum than the crazed RWNJs who post the most. As we found in the election, the general public is more sensible than the crazy shouters you hear so much from. Thank goodness.
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