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sure, how about kennesaw, hudson, all cities and towns in Wyoming, I would bet all of those have a lower crime rate than NYC does.
all with less gun control than NYC has too.
Again, you are just cherry-picking datas... let me guess... don't tell me: you are an NRA member, are you?
Are you going to tell me that there aren't low-crime areas in gun control states?
Hawaii?
Rhode Island?
Massachussets?
San Diego?
San Jose?
Manhattan?
After running the state stats through their sausage machine where credit is given for strict gun law and demerits are assigned for "loose" gun laws, Alaska can come out the other side as ranked #2 for gun violence and California can finish at #40.
I downloaded the study and looked through it.
"The Center for American Progress is an independent nonpartisan educational institute dedicated to improving the lives of Americans through progressive ideas and action..... We develop new policy ideas, critique the policy that stems from conservative values, challenge the media to cover the issues that truly matter, and shape the national debate. "
How can you be nonpartisan if you state you promote progressive ideas and critique conservative values? That it's an arm of ThinkProgress should eliminate it as holding any legitimacy in the discussion of public policy.
The authors:
Arkadi Gerney was a special advisor and first deputy New York City Criminal Justice Coordinator for Mayor Bloomberg, where he managed Mayors Against Illegal Guns.
Chelsea Parsons was general counsel to the New York City Criminal Justice Coordinator where she developed and implemented legal frameworks in firearms policy for Mayor Bloomberg.
Charles Posner is the State Communications Assistant in the ThinkProgress War Room.
I couldn't put together a more biased threesome if I tried.
After skimming it I did a simple searh of the document. Amazingly the words "city" or "metro" or 'race" never appear.
After running the state stats through their sausage machine where credit is given for strict gun law and demerits are assigned for "loose" gun laws, Alaska can come out the other side as ranked #2 for gun violence and California can finish at #40.
I downloaded the study and looked through it.
"The Center for American Progress is an independent nonpartisan educational institute dedicated to improving the lives of Americans through progressive ideas and action..... We develop new policy ideas, critique the policy that stems from conservative values, challenge the media to cover the issues that truly matter, and shape the national debate. "
How can you be nonpartisan if you state you promote progressive ideas and critique conservative values? That it's an arm of ThinkProgress should eliminate it as holding any legitimacy in the discussion of public policy.
The authors:
Arkadi Gerney was a special advisor and first deputy New York City Criminal Justice Coordinator for Mayor Bloomberg, where he managed Mayors Against Illegal Guns.
Chelsea Parsons was general counsel to the New York City Criminal Justice Coordinator where she developed and implemented legal frameworks in firearms policy for Mayor Bloomberg.
Charles Posner is the State Communications Assistant in the ThinkProgress War Room.
I couldn't put together a more biased threesome if I tried.
After skimming it I did a simple searh of the document. Amazingly the words "city" or "metro" or 'race" never appear.
Even if it is a progressive think tank, it doesn't mean the findings are meaningless. It's not like they can fudge the numbers. The crime statistics are what they are, and the Brady measure they used for the strength of a state's gun laws is publicly available, and is after all based on publicly viewable gun laws.
Even if it is a progressive think tank, it doesn't mean the findings are meaningless. It's not like they can fudge the numbers. The crime statistics are what they are, and the Brady measure they used for the strength of a state's gun laws is publicly available, and is after all based on publicly viewable gun laws.
Let me drum up some NRA studies and lets see if you have the same opinion.
Are you able to write something that is not a catch-phrase from NRA's comic books?
P.S. crime in NYC is just a fraction than countless holes in gun-toting states. Some names? Cleveland, New Orleans, Birmingham, Cincinnati, Akron, Miami, Jacksonville, Detroit, Gary, Indianapolis, Youngstown, etc etc... Can I go on?
If you actually studied the history of crime in NYC you would know that the impressive drop in crime began during Rudy Guliani's time as mayor. He drove major initiatives to lower crime rates - all though changes in policing. The most significant issue was aggressive prosecution of small crimes that had previously been ignored. The theory was that allowing small crimes to continue lead criminals to commit bigger crimes.
These changes were very effective. They were not associated with changes in gun laws.
Everytime there's a discussion about violence, republicans and conservatives have just one and onlyargument: Chicago.
Do you other arguments
Ok, do you realize that the thread was about States' murder rate?
Also, do you understand the difference between murder rate and number of homicides?
Anyway, if I was living in one of those States (thanks God I don't) I would be a little concerned about their high crime rates, rather than blathering BS about the Windy City... there are several cities in such states more violent than Chicago: never heard of New Orleans?
If you saw my earlier post - I showed you how many states, ranked very low by Brady for gun laws, have very low murder rates. Utah and New Hampshire are two examples. New Hampshire is even very close to Connecticut and NH's murder rate is less than one fourth of CT.
Compare California and Texas. California ranks #1 by Brady with a score of 80. Texas has a Brady score of 6. Yet murder by gun rates in California are higher than Texas. Overall violent crime rates are similar, though CA is ever so slightly higher. The two largest states, with highly diverse populations, big economies, with vastly different gun laws have similar murder rates.
Please explain how that can possibly be true since CA is considered by Brady to have the most restrictive gun laws in the USA?
If you actually studied the history of crime in NYC you would know that the impressive drop in crime began during Rudy Guliani's time as mayor. He drove major initiatives to lower crime rates - all though changes in policing. The most significant issue was aggressive prosecution of small crimes that had previously been ignored. The theory was that allowing small crimes to continue lead criminals to commit bigger crimes.
These changes were very effective. They were not associated with changes in gun laws.
The truth is that opposed to the idea that tighter gun control laws will have no effect, just about anything you do to address violence helps to some degree. It only makes sense.
Just about any measure you take to chip away at a problem is going to have some effect. It's unfortuante that so many people seem to see it as a black & white issue. Gun control = "they're comin' for all your guns!"---which is simply not true. Or, "criminals don't obey laws." Well, no, but if we made murder legal, would that solve anything? The threat of punishment and prison stops an awful lot of people from committing crimes. Tighter gun control laws work, not 100 %, because nothing works 100% of the time, but they do have an effect.
If you saw my earlier post - I showed you how many states, ranked very low by Brady for gun laws, have very low murder rates. Utah and New Hampshire are two examples. New Hampshire is even very close to Connecticut and NH's murder rate is less than one fourth of CT.
Compare California and Texas. California ranks #1 by Brady with a score of 80. Texas has a Brady score of 6. Yet murder by gun rates in California are higher than Texas. Overall violent crime rates are similar, though CA is ever so slightly higher. The two largest states, with highly diverse populations, big economies, with vastly different gun laws have similar murder rates.
Please explain how that can possibly be true since CA is considered by Brady to have the most restrictive gun laws in the USA?
Where are you getting your data on violent crime in California and Texas? Because I can't locate anything but totals, whereas what is needed in order to compare one state to another, is per capita crime statistics.
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