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Old 04-06-2013, 10:31 AM
 
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I don't think anyone believes "gun control" by itself is going to solve the irrational violent behavior in America. There is a lot of steps that we need to take as a nation.
I think that putting some type of additional control over the most dangerous weapon currently available to most Americans seems like a logical FIRST STEP, but that's all it is.

Honestly, discussing other countries is pointless because other countries have different cultures.
I've lived in both, and honestly the culture in Canada is not that different.
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Old 04-06-2013, 10:32 AM
 
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I would not equate Mexico with a developed country like the U.S., and it has of course a huge problem with drug cartels and the drug trade.

Russia, I couldn't find statistics on. Do any of you have a link? And Russia also is dissimilar to the U.S. in many regards. When you compare the U.S. to countries that are similar, in terms of development and not having civil wars etc., it's a clear outlier in terms of firearm violence.
So the only contrives that count are those that fit your preconceived notions. What about Switzerland where they have lots of guns including fully automatic rifle and little regulations and low violent crime/murder rate, is that developed enough for you.
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Old 04-06-2013, 10:32 AM
 
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Do they have extreme gun control?
Ah, the Bliss of Ignorance/Selectrive Enlightenment/Selective Indignation etc - a common thread to all *******s and DemocRATS.
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Old 04-06-2013, 10:34 AM
 
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So the only contrives that count are those that fit your preconceived notions.
Mexico has a far lower GDP than the U.S. and is not comparable in terms of development.

Russia was under communist control for decades and is still experiencing growing pains.

So, no, I would not equate those countries with the U.S. It's not my judgment that counts anyway. The best comparison is with OECD countries, and that's what the graph shows.
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Old 04-06-2013, 10:34 AM
 
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I've lived in both, and honestly the culture in Canada is not that different.


after having quite a few friends that were born and raised in canada, and being there more than just a few times, i think that the culture of canada is way different than the USA's. in the USA, we dont rely on government as much as they do in canada, unless you go out into the country, like in upper bc.
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Old 04-06-2013, 10:35 AM
 
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I've lived in both, and honestly the culture in Canada is not that different.
Your Sig or whatever you call it, is, amazingly, correct.

NRA - Not Responsible for Anything.

They are NOT responsible for gun crimes, or knife crimes, or billy-club crimes or Billy Goat crimes, or vehicular crimes, and white or blue or no -collar crimes.

The parties most at fault are the ones who have coddled the criminal element which has enabled this situation in the first place - *******S and DemocRATS.
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Old 04-06-2013, 10:35 AM
 
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Mexico has a far lower GDP than the U.S. and is not comparable in terms of development.

Russia was under communist control for decades and is still experiencing growing pains.

So, no, I would not equate those countries with the U.S. It's not my judgment that counts anyway. The best comparison is with OECD countries, and that's what the graph shows.

it should not matter. going by your premise that more gun control means less gun crime, then those 2 countries should be liberal utopias that have little to no gun crime at all.

instead it is exactly the opposite.
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Old 04-06-2013, 10:36 AM
 
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So the only contrives that count are those that fit your preconceived notions. What about Switzerland where they have lots of guns including fully automatic rifle and little regulations and low violent crime/murder rate, is that developed enough for you.
They also have a higher gun homicide rate than many other countries; take a look at the graph.


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Old 04-06-2013, 10:38 AM
 
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Mexico has a far lower GDP than the U.S. and is not comparable in terms of development.

Russia was under communist control for decades and is still experiencing growing pains.

So, no, I would not equate those countries with the U.S. It's not my judgment that counts anyway. The best comparison is with OECD countries, and that's what the graph shows.
And how do you explain Switzerland? With high gun ownership, including fully automatic rifles, and low crime. Maybe the average elevation is too high to be included.

And your chart would be a little more honest if it included murder rate by any method, instead of just guns.
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Old 04-06-2013, 10:39 AM
 
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it should not matter. going by your premise that more gun control means less gun crime, then those 2 countries should be liberal utopias that have little to no gun crime at all.

instead it is exactly the opposite.
That logic doesn't hold. You can't just pretend Mexico's drug cartel problems don't exist. They have some of the deadliest cities in the world for gun violence. Russia also has a lot of organized crime.
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