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Old 04-05-2013, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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So by your definition any rifle used in warfare is an asault rifle.
And this


Is that an early 20th century (pre 1910?) Model 1883? I'm looking for one myself.

Yes fbob would consider anything shooting a bullet would constitute an assault weapon, even if he won't admit it.
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Old 04-05-2013, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Yes. Really.

The term "assault rifle" has been defined for quite some time, and any gun matching that description has been very heavily restricted since 1934.

The Clinton administration coined the term "assault weapon" when pushing the '94 ban. There's no doubt that the terms were intentionally confusing, so that helpless rubes without two brain cells to rub together would gleefully confuse look-a-like sporting rifles with true assault rifles and back the useless (as has been proven many, many times) legislation.

Only a complete bleeping idiot would agree that a Ruger Mini 14 ranch rifle falls into the same category as a Thompson ("tommy") submachine gun, but that's what yo.. er.. these bleeping idiots are doing.
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Old 04-05-2013, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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The Sturmgewehr44 was actually the first assault rifle, it was used in ww2 by Germany.

And here is a more specific definition for flordia.bob, just so we are all on the same page.

It must be an individual weapon with provision to fire from the shoulder (i.e. a buttstock);
It must be capable of selective fire;
It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle;
Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable magazine rather than a feed-belt.
And it should at least have a firing range of 300 meters (1000 feet)
Rifles that meet most of these criteria, but not all, are technically not assault rifles despite frequently being considered as such. For example, semi-automatic-only rifles like the AR-15 (on which the M16 rifle is based) that share parts or design characteristics with assault rifles are not assault rifles, as they are not capable of switching to automatic fire and thus are not selective-fire capable. Belt-fed weapons or rifles with fixed magazines are likewise not assault rifles because they do not have detachable box magazines.
"Assault weapon" vs. "assault rifle", s4l. Bob will probably just claim that I'm exploiting semantics, but these are legal terms, and legal terms have very strict definitions. These two terms have very, very different meanings within the eyes of the law, and since laws are what we're discussing, that's what actually matters. Some people don't have the capability to argue reasonably, though, and stay within the boundaries of logic. I suspect we'll see evidence of that shortly.
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Old 04-05-2013, 11:46 AM
 
Location: 77441
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You simply don't want it to be true. But that's OK.


the Constitution and BOR isnt a popularity contest.

I tell you what, lets repeal the 2nd, then lets go after the 13th and the 19th next,
its obvious people affected by those two amendments arent responsible enough to vote.
Its time for that to end.

screw obama.
screw everyone who thinks laws are about popularity contest.


ALL LAWS HAVE TO PASS CONSTITUTIONAL MUSTER.

if you think otherwise, you aint too bright.
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Old 04-05-2013, 11:56 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Only a complete bleeping idiot would agree that a Ruger Mini 14 ranch rifle falls into the same category as a Thompson ("tommy") submachine gun, but that's what yo.. er.. these bleeping idiots are doing.


Hey, leave my "trench broom" alone. It has been almost 100 years since it went off by itself and killed someone.

You don't want to wake the dead, do ya?
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Old 04-05-2013, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Yes. Really.

The term "assault rifle" has been defined for quite some time, and any gun matching that description has been very heavily restricted since 1934.

The Clinton administration coined the term "assault weapon" when pushing the '94 ban. There's no doubt that the terms were intentionally confusing, so that helpless rubes without two brain cells to rub together would gleefully confuse look-a-like sporting rifles with true assault rifles and back the useless (as has been proven many, many times) legislation.

Only a complete bleeping idiot would agree that a Ruger Mini 14 ranch rifle falls into the same category as a Thompson ("tommy") submachine gun, but that's what yo.. er.. these bleeping idiots are doing.
I know! After all, what would the gun industry in the early 1980s know about the gun industry, huh?
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Old 04-07-2013, 05:26 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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I know! After all, what would the gun industry in the early 1980s know about the gun industry, huh?
Spin, deflect, and spin again.
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Old 04-07-2013, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Spin, deflect, and spin again.
Here's more ...

Gabby Giffords: Join the fight for safer U.S. * - NY Daily News
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Old 04-07-2013, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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I got a little chuckle out of the discussion about the AR-15, M-16, and Nam.
When I went to Nam in 1966 with the 25th Infantry Division, we were armed with M-14s. I hated that gun! Since I spent a lot of time getting in and out of helicopeters (yes, that's what we called them), I hung the -14 on the wall and found an M-1 carbine to carry.
I never saw either an AR-15 or an M-16 from the time I got to Vung Tau until I flew out of Saigon for discharge.
I did, however, encounter the "Mattel-toy" M-16 later, as a member if the Guard and Reserve. Most of us considered them (the early ones) useless pieces of junk. I really don't understand the attraction they have. the M-1A is a much better weapon, IMO. Yes, it is heavier, and the ammunition is heavier, but it packs a PUNCH! And, a little dirt won't bother it! But, in infinite government wisdom, they wouldn't convert the M-1 Garand to the M-1A at a cost of a few hundred dollars each, (cost was dependent on whether they re-barrelled it to 7.62 instead of leaving it 30-06), they bought the M-14 for about three times the cost!

Thankfully, the gun control issue appears to be pretty much done for at the moment. Maybe the voters will have long enough memories to last until the mid-term elections, and perhaps we can get rid of some of the fools in Congress!
VOTE AGAINST THE INCUMBENTS!
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Old 04-07-2013, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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I didn't read it all. I got to where she said that "90% of Americans support expanded background checks", and I left the link.
I just don't believe it!
In my part of America, very few people believe that doing a background check for every gun transfer will accomplish anything!
"Criminals, by definition, do not obey the law!"
What part of that is so very difficult to understand?
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