Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
I'm guessing you are a college student who is surrounded by other idiots who have zero experience in life outside of school
Businesses do not exist to enrich the lives of their employees, they exist to make profit. That is hardly barbaric, and there is no need to adapt to little bs socialistic fantasies, because unlike retarded socialist policies, business fundamentals actually work in this place most of us live in called reality.
Slavery was a tremendous economic boon that generally raised standards of living in this country and the captains of this "industry" were primarily interested in driving profits, not necessarily achieving genocide. Do you find that to be a persuasive case for slavery? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you will say "no." The reason any moral person would say no is because they would not confine their estimations of the value of slavery to economic calculations, but would rather include human factors, most notably that of human dignity. Unbridled capitalism produces effects on the masses that is not unlike that of slavery.
Any sensible appraisal of capitalism will include factoring in a wide-range of its economic effects on all the populace, not merely a few, its effects on the environment, its effects on democracy and the ability of the masses to affect their government, its effects on the free market (in a true sense of the word), and, most of all, its effects on human dignity.
I'm guessing somebody in the distant future from our current time, built a time machine and traveled back to the neolithic, picked you up, and dropped you off in our time so we could be delighted by tales of old, because hey pal, cotton plantation owners were making the same arguments as you are now back in 1859 and in 1900 coal miners were saying they could not produce coal without the use of breaker boys.
Look here my good girl, today, your living in a world that is the result of workers demanding to be treated in a certain manner by industry. Get a clue buddy boy, if industry had it's way, you'd not be able to take a break from asking people "if they'd like fries with that" to get on the internet and post tired right wing corporate propaganda and you'd probably be missing a few body parts as well.
I see great minds think alike.
It bears repeating that industry has moved towards treating workers with a shred of dignity, to paying merely sub-par wages, to not employing 8 year-olds, to not throwing out "agitators," to not locking up women in seventh-story sweatshops, to not dumping hazardous chemicals into the water supply, but only when dragged kicking and screaming by governments that respond to the demands of the masses.
It bears repeating that industry has moved towards treating workers with a shred of dignity, to paying merely sub-par wages, to not employing 8 year-olds, to not throwing out "agitators," to not locking up women in seventh-story sweatshops, to not dumping hazardous chemicals into the water supply, but only when dragged kicking and screaming by governments that respond to the demands of the masses.
Businesses that cannot treat their workers or the environment correctly do not need to be in business.
Today, you have corporate owed right wingers like Paul Ryan, fighting to allow industry to fully oppress workers and dump toxic chemicals in neighborhood swimming pools.
The state provides salaries. Whether or not they supply services and the actual value of those services is debatable.
I worked for our local school district when I was a teenager under the maintenance department. To this day I have yet to experience a less productive group of slackers in a so called workplace.
A typical day would start out with a good 1.5 hrs. of standing around drinking coffee and shooting the bull.
Then there was about a half hour of work preparation followed by a 45 min break. Then there was about 1.5hrs of work followed by .5 hrs. of "clean up" and a lunch break that lasted 1.5 to 2 hrs. The afternoon was more of the same with about 1.5 hrs. of total work. All totaled there was literally about 3 hrs. work time in an 8 hour day. Even at that we were often told to slow down as we were working too fast and making the other workers look bad.
Knowing some other people who work city, state, and federal civil service and what they tell me, this is pretty much standard operating procedure for all government jobs.
Slavery was a tremendous economic boon that generally raised standards of living in this country and the captains of this "industry" were primarily interested in driving profits, not necessarily achieving genocide. Do you find that to be a persuasive case for slavery? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you will say "no." The reason any moral person would say no is because they would not confine their estimations of the value of slavery to economic calculations, but would rather include human factors, most notably that of human dignity. Unbridled capitalism produces effects on the masses that is not unlike that of slavery.
Any sensible appraisal of capitalism will include factoring in a wide-range of its economic effects on all the populace, not merely a few, its effects on the environment, its effects on democracy and the ability of the masses to affect their government, its effects on the free market (in a true sense of the word), and, most of all, its effects on human dignity.
Hate to break it to you but slavery has nothing to do with capitalism. And capitalism does not produce effects on the masses like slavery. I have no idea where you came up with that nonsense.
You need government to have slavery. Any sensible appraisal of government regulation/taxes will include factoring in a wide-range of its economic effects on all the populace, not merely a few, its effects on the environment, its effects on democracy and the ability of the masses to affect their government, its effects on the free market (in a true sense of the word), and, most of all, its effects on human dignity.
It bears repeating that industry has moved towards treating workers with a shred of dignity, to paying merely sub-par wages, to not employing 8 year-olds, to not throwing out "agitators," to not locking up women in seventh-story sweatshops, to not dumping hazardous chemicals into the water supply, but only when dragged kicking and screaming by governments that respond to the demands of the masses.
Actually if you look at actual government data from after the Civil War thru WW1 you will see industry pretty much took care of all these things on their own.
Governemnt and unions didn't "fix" them until the 1930s. A couple decades after industry did.
$7.25 in Manhattan? None of us would accept such a job/wage. It just might be that some economists have determined that to support a family in NYC one needs to earn $15/hour. Probably not much of an existence at that rate, either.
If they can fill the spots for 7.25 with LEGAL workers then that is the market. If they are using illegal workers then they are artificially moving the wage scale down.
Actually if you look at actual government data from after the Civil War thru WW1 you will see industry pretty much took care of all these things on their own.
Governemnt and unions didn't "fix" them until the 1930s. A couple decades after industry did.
You must have read this in a David Barton fictional history book.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
