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Old 04-07-2013, 02:12 PM
 
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"ATF's struggle to close down firearms dealers: Modest resources, restrictive rules allow troubled outlets to stay open for years"

The fully story is here:ATF's struggle to close down firearms dealers | The Center for Public Integrity
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Old 04-07-2013, 02:20 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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"ATF's struggle to close down firearms dealers: Modest resources, restrictive rules allow troubled outlets to stay open for years"

The fully story is here:ATF's struggle to close down firearms dealers | The Center for Public Integrity
Then why are they spending resources to confiscate toy guns and funnel thousands of guns to Mexican drug cartels?
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Old 04-07-2013, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Then why are they spending resources to confiscate toy guns and funnel thousands of guns to Mexican drug cartels?
They proved that guns from dealers were ending up with mexican drug catels, a rather large problem and it amounted to a few hundred guns lost. There are around 25,000 guns lost by dealers every year and they are not held accountable
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Old 04-07-2013, 07:46 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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They proved that guns from dealers were ending up with mexican drug catels, a rather large problem and it amounted to a few hundred guns lost. There are around 25,000 guns lost by dealers every year and they are not held accountable
So the ATF funnels guns to the cartels by making dealers sell to obvious straw buyers (the dealers objected to the sales but the ATF tood them to still sell, with no means of tracking them so they couldn't arrest anyone which leads to hundreds of Mexican citizens slain and us boarded patrol agents dead and your still worried about the gun dealers. Maybe you should look more closely at our government.
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Old 04-07-2013, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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Where exactly is the evidence of criminal activity in selling guns to Lanza's mother? Welcome to Obamerica.....






ATF revokes license of gun dealer tied to Newtown

If you gave your car to be used in a bank robbery would you be surprised if you were cited as an accesory to a robbery and maybe even accesory to murder if they gunned down and killed a bank guard? Why are guns any different than cars?
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Old 04-07-2013, 09:01 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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If you gave your car to be used in a bank robbery would you be surprised if you were cited as an accesory to a robbery and maybe even accesory to murder if they gunned down and killed a bank guard? Why are guns any different than cars?
Only if you do so knowing that the person you gave the car to was going to commit the crime. If you legally sell a gun to someone and they commit a crime you are not responsible. It would be like holding a dr. responsible for someone who OD on pills because they wrote the rx. Or a car dealer if a car is used in a drunk driving accident.
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Old 04-09-2013, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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Only if you do so knowing that the person you gave the car to was going to commit the crime. If you legally sell a gun to someone and they commit a crime you are not responsible. It would be like holding a dr. responsible for someone who OD on pills because they wrote the rx. Or a car dealer if a car is used in a drunk driving accident.

This is not how the law sees it. Restaurant and bar owners and their bar or wait staff have been brought up on charges when after serving a patron alcoholic beverages the patron gets involved in an accident which results in deatth. Do you think they had any fore nowledge that this was going to happen? Doctors do get prosecuted for proscribing drugs that result in a patient's death. Does Dr Conrad Murray ring a bell? Dr Murray is in a Calif penitentary and has lost his medical lisence for proscribing the drugs that killed Michael Jackson.Did Conrad Murray that Mr Jackson was going to die after giving he the medications? Sometimes auto repair shops get dragged into court if something like a brake job is botched and a bad auto accident in which brake failure is judged to be contributing factor results. So I will repeat my question. Do you understand what being an accessory to a crime means and what the the personal consequences might be if you are an accessory to a crime?
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Old 04-09-2013, 08:33 PM
 
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This is not how the law sees it. Restaurant and bar owners and their bar or wait staff have been brought up on charges when after serving a patron alcoholic beverages the patron gets involved in an accident which results in deatth. Do you think they had any fore nowledge that this was going to happen? Doctors do get prosecuted for proscribing drugs that result in a patient's death. Does Dr Conrad Murray ring a bell? Dr Murray is in a Calif penitentary and has lost his medical lisence for proscribing the drugs that killed Michael Jackson.Did Conrad Murray that Mr Jackson was going to die after giving he the medications? Sometimes auto repair shops get dragged into court if something like a brake job is botched and a bad auto accident in which brake failure is judged to be contributing factor results. So I will repeat my question. Do you understand what being an accessory to a crime means and what the the personal consequences might be if you are an accessory to a crime?
Poor analogies. In each case the dr or bartender was in direct control of the quantity of consumed. The gun dealer does not know how the lawful product would be used.
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Old 04-09-2013, 09:14 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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No that would be stupid. But bar or liquor store owners can and should be held liable, and the same should apply to gun stores who sell weapons to mass killers.

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And while we are at it, the National Gunnut Association who trained the killer, should also be liable. The hell with you gunnuts who think that you are above the law just because of the second amendment.
Yet another well reasoned and sensible post by a hoplophobe Its this kind of invective that causes minds to close, as the mind that came up with it is locked down like a triple max prison. (Sigh) ...Nevertheless, I am still inclined to patience, at the moment, as responding, in kind, would be a severe lowering of my "discussion" standards.

So, I quote this post, for purpose of response, mainly to draw attention to the mindset of of the anti firearms crowd. This attitude pervades the latter group like dust in a high wind. Rational thought is out the window, derogatory terms, to refer to firearms owners, are actually encouraged, provocative diatribe is considered intelligent discourse and the overt bigotry and hatred is condoned, as they feel they are so far above we, the shooting community, that we can be considered sub human.

This is, truly, appalling, on so many levels. It can be hard, to maintain a calm demeanor, in the face of such bigotry and overt contempt. However, I feel proper, in recommending to my fellows, in the shooting community, that we should do, just that. We are professionals. We are rational and, being as we ARE firearms owners, we are in control of our emotions. We cannot afford to let emotion govern our actions. That is why we train, and develop proper mindset.

Responding, in kind, to such invective as this quoted post, is quite beneath us.
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Old 05-24-2013, 10:25 AM
 
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Wow, how misinformed all of you are.

This shop was closed down because of years of paperwork violations that were uncovered, that had nothing to do with Sandy Hook. Rightfully so. Period. End of story.

Move along now.
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