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No, she would not have been forgiven decades ago. Guy or gal, makes no difference. She committed treason, that is not forgivable.
I have a very good friend that the fingers on both hands bend backwards. They're permanently stuck there. Matter of fact, he has to go to the VA to get his fingernails clipped before they grow into the back of his hands. Tell him that she meant well, that her heart was in the right place. Yeah, she moved on, her hands still work.
How she could do that to her own countrymen was horrible and she should have been branded on her forehead with a T for treason.
I admit that I do not fully understand this Hanoi Jane controversy, but do you Americans consider Muhammad Ali a traitor because he refused to fight in Vietnam? I mean Jane Fonda, like Muhammad Ali, clearly had a different opinion but is that automatically treason?
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lets put Jane Fonda's actions into a 2008 situation.
Take a very popular female movie star,have her go to Iraq and pose with a bunch of guys wearing masks to disguise themselves, while she grins and has her hand on a suicide bomber's bomb that just got built.
I would imagine it would cause an uproar here in the US. (i WOULD BE ASHAMED OF MY COUNTRY IF IT DID NOT)
I agree, there should be an uproar,
Yet it still wouldn't make the movie star responsible for involving us in the war of choice, THAT's what should be causing the real uproar.
I admit that I do not fully understand this Hanoi Jane controversy, but do you Americans consider Muhammad Ali a traitor because he refused to fight in Vietnam? I mean Jane Fonda, like Muhammad Ali, clearly had a different opinion but is that automatically treason?
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How she could do that to her own countrymen was horrible and she should have been branded on her forehead with a T for treason.
You'd better keep that branding iron hot. She was a stupid twit but a stupid twit with no public trust invested in her. If you're going to start branding traitors, start with those who had the public's trust and betrayed it.
I have a lot of respect for Jane Fonda! She is a "classy" woman with integrity; she found her voice long ago and has spoken out on things that she believes in. Because she lives in a "fish bowl" of public life we have seen her make mistakes and have the courage to admit to them.
She showed poor judgement while she was in Hanoi, she knows that and has apologized for that poor judgement. She was 100% correct to be there and to speak out against the war; she was wrong to allow her celebrity to be used by posing in the anti aircraft tank or whatever it was.
Looking over her long life in the public eye........she has done much much more good than harm......probably more than we can say for most of the people we know!
Classy? she has about as much class as a garbage can, All the good she might have done was canceled out with her Hanoi Jane campaign.
Talk about velcro grudges. Hanoi Jane was fourty years ago. I know, I was there. "My country is always right." is not the same as "My country, right or wrong."
Ms. Fonda has the right to do and say damn near anything she wants. Just as you and I. I won't give that up but apparently you would take it away from her and, by association, me. I do not like that at all!
I think she did something stupid and wrong. But I think it's time the incident was forgiven and forgotten. Most all of us have done things we regret and would not repeat. I think she has said as much, has she not? Again, I think what she did was TOTALLY wrong, but I think it's time to let it go.
Talk about velcro grudges. Hanoi Jane was fourty years ago. I know, I was there. "My country is always right." is not the same as "My country, right or wrong."
Ms. Fonda has the right to do and say damn near anything she wants. Just as you and I. I won't give that up but apparently you would take it away from her and, by association, me. I do not like that at all!
I'm going to go out on a limb here, but I'll bet you weren't born when she did this, and if you were then would you forgive Hitler and Mussolini if they said Oh I'm sorry? you have your opinion and i have mine and thats what makes the USA great if every one tough the same we would be communist. and if they won you would be talking German now.
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I mean Jane Fonda, like Muhammad Ali, clearly had a different opinion but is that automatically treason?
Again, I think what she did was TOTALLY wrong, but I think it's time to let it go.