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I've made my point about this many times here: I have no problems with gun control regulations. I have no problems with:
-background checks
-banning felons, mentally ill, etc from owning guns
I also do not really have a problem with gun owners being made to have a million dollar umbrella insurance policy to have guns.
I am against banning guns, banning high capacity magazines, or gun registration. None of these issues will do a thing to curb gun violence or save a life. They are nothing more then "feel good" measures, which look good on paper, however do nothing to help the situation.
There are MILLIONS of these guns and magazines in circulation already. How am I supposed to know when you bought those magazines for the gun? You bought em 10 yrs ago? Well, you can't make a law which is "ex post facto." You can't deprive someone of their property, without due process of law. So they legally owned them. There is no way too know.
And the ones you can catch? The 1 or 2 %? Ok, you are going to lock that person up in prison? For how long? Ruin their life and family? Over what? John Smith who has been a productive member of society for 30+ years goes to prison for 5 years. How is that going to help the situation? Who is going to pay for the increased prison population? Are you willing to have your taxes raised to support that?
The two AR's I personally own will still be fully functional, when people's great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, grandchildren are walking the earth.
California allows open carry, of certain firearms, and requires a Permit for concealed carry. I was born in California and it has always been that way. The only thing new was the 1989 Los Angeles County Gun Ban. That turned me into a criminal overnight, simply because of the type of firearms I had legally purchased in California years before. There was no grandfather clause. I had three choices:
Turn my legally purchased, but now banned, firearms into the police;
Remain a criminal and hope law enforcement never finds out; or
Leave the State of my birth, and take my firearms with me.
That explains why I have lived in Alaska for the last 22 years.
Just an update for you: Open Carry in California is now illegal. Be it a handgun or rifle. The loophole has been closed.
I'd like to know where all these anti-gun control cops are. All the ones I know (dozens if not 100's) are very pro-gun control (up to and including civilian confiscation) including all the ones I hunt with.
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Wow..that's really odd..the opposite is true around here..thank God.
Yeah, I have to agree with muleskinner. In fact, I see only two possibilities here. Either NBP is specifically singling out people of a particular political persuasion to associate with, or NBP is full of crap. I suppose there's a third possibility that it's a very localized phenomenon, but I doubt it.
Even if it was not required by law, I would volunteer that information anyway as a matter of common courtesy and to put the LEO's mind at ease.
We have no "duty to inform" here in Nevada, and I've never been pulled over while carrying, but I keep my CFP right behind my driver license in my wallet, and should I ever get pulled over while carrying the plan is to pull both out of the wallet and hand them to the officer at the same time.
I have been pulled over while not carrying once, and after I'd handed him my DL, he asked me if I was carrying. The CFP database is tied into the whole state system, so they know if the registered owner of the car has one before they even talk to you.
Yeah, I have to agree with muleskinner. In fact, I see only two possibilities here. Either NBP is specifically singling out people of a particular political persuasion to associate with, or NBP is full of crap. I suppose there's a third possibility that it's a very localized phenomenon, but I doubt it.
Come goose hunt with me and the cops (most are poor shots, by the way) and get them talking about gun control. None are above the rank of Sgt., all are patrol officers. All, each, every single one, is pro-gun control. Most are registered Republicans with a sprinkling of non-affiliated and Democrats.
For those of you who think LEO's will disobey an order for confiscation you need to re-think that. They'll snap to and go house to house.
Our elected Sheriff (R) recently testified against the proposed (and passed) new gun control laws here in MD. The majority of the Deputies signed a very strongly worded letter chastizing him. One of the said Deputies is a regular attendee at the County's Republican Central Committee meetings and is the chair of a couple committees.
We recently had a home inavasion turn out fatal for one of the invaders. The PIO for the department stated that there was nothing for which the homeowner could be cited. Yet.
Another note, most of the newer Wildlife Conservation Officers here are non-hunters and go out of their way to find a reason to cite you or confiscate your gun. I had one start to write me a citation a couple or three years ago for not having a shell limiting plug in my Over/Under.
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Damn. I never thought they would go that far. I did a lot of hunting for deer around Lake Cachuma, and wild boar hunting on Catalina Island. I guess those days are gone.
You can still open carry during the act of hunting and or shooting sports. Just not down main street so to speak.
I'd like to know where all these anti-gun control cops are. All the ones I know (dozens if not 100's) are very pro-gun control (up to and including civilian confiscation) including all the ones I hunt with.
As I have stated repeatedly, it all depends on where you perform your polling. If you poll Maryland, you will get the anti-gun result you want. In fact, pretty much ALL the NorthEastern states will give you those results (if you avoid rural areas).
If you poll Montana, the results will be VERY different. The same goes for the rest of the "core" Western states. The "Left Coast" of course, will be different, especially in Feinstein-land and Pelosi-land.
In fact, some polls show that when the rank and file police officers are asked the same questions that were asked of their Chiefs, the results are quite different. The rank and file does NOT agree with what the Chiefs have to say! When the County Sheriff and his deputies are asked, the results are usually firmly on the side of civilian gun owners!
It all depends on who you ask, and how the questions are worded.
As I have stated repeatedly, it all depends on where you perform your polling. If you poll Maryland, you will get the anti-gun result you want. In fact, pretty much ALL the NorthEastern states will give you those results (if you avoid rural areas).
If you poll Montana, the results will be VERY different. The same goes for the rest of the "core" Western states. The "Left Coast" of course, will be different, especially in Feinstein-land and Pelosi-land.
In fact, some polls show that when the rank and file police officers are asked the same questions that were asked of their Chiefs, the results are quite different. The rank and file does NOT agree with what the Chiefs have to say! When the County Sheriff and his deputies are asked, the results are usually firmly on the side of civilian gun owners!
It all depends on who you ask, and how the questions are worded.
Yeah, I know that. Just trying to make the point indirectly.
I do have to confess that when I said "all" I misspoke. The actual number is around 9 out of 10 are in favor of various stricter gun control measures.
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Yeah, I have to agree with muleskinner. In fact, I see only two possibilities here. Either NBP is specifically singling out people of a particular political persuasion to associate with, or NBP is full of crap. I suppose there's a third possibility that it's a very localized phenomenon, but I doubt it.
I was wondering the same thing myself..if the respondants were from a cherry picked group or what..I honestly have never ran across a gun control freak officer and I worked in three different states as a LEO and worked around a very diverse group..for dem and repub controlled Sheriff's depts.
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