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Old 05-05-2013, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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No licenses or permits are required in Alaska, but we do have to inform any LEO if we are armed. Even if it was not required by law, I would volunteer that information anyway as a matter of common courtesy and to put the LEO's mind at ease.

I have not been pulled over by LEO east of the Mississippi River, so I cannot comment on how they would react to an armed law-abiding citizen. However, my experience with LEO's west of the Mississippi has been similar to yours.
It wouldn't go down that way in most areas of loony leftist California.

I have heard that the sherrifs up in the far north of the state are rather friendly to concealed carry.

Then again, that is the area that has been the subject of many secession or division ideas - combined with southern Oregon they would be known as the State of Jefferson.

It is the most rational part of the state - there is a paucity of liberals up there.
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Old 05-05-2013, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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California allows open carry, of certain firearms, and requires a Permit for concealed carry. I was born in California and it has always been that way. The only thing new was the 1989 Los Angeles County Gun Ban. That turned me into a criminal overnight, simply because of the type of firearms I had legally purchased in California years before. There was no grandfather clause. I had three choices:
  • Turn my legally purchased, but now banned, firearms into the police;
  • Remain a criminal and hope law enforcement never finds out; or
  • Leave the State of my birth, and take my firearms with me.
That explains why I have lived in Alaska for the last 22 years.
True - but it is a "may issue" state.

Some counties will issue a concealed carry permit upon passing a background check and completing a firearms safety course.

Others(including many of the most populous counties) have severe restrictions and in at least one case, the county sherrif only issued permits to those who contributed financially to them or some pet cause.

The California law is ripe for corruption - and needs to be revamped so that we become a "shall issue" state.

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Old 05-05-2013, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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I've made my point about this many times here: I have no problems with gun control regulations. I have no problems with:

-background checks
-banning felons, mentally ill, etc from owning guns

I also do not really have a problem with gun owners being made to have a million dollar umbrella insurance policy to have guns.

I am against banning guns, banning high capacity magazines, or gun registration. None of these issues will do a thing to curb gun violence or save a life. They are nothing more then "feel good" measures, which look good on paper, however do nothing to help the situation.

There are MILLIONS of these guns and magazines in circulation already. How am I supposed to know when you bought those magazines for the gun? You bought em 10 yrs ago? Well, you can't make a law which is "ex post facto." You can't deprive someone of their property, without due process of law. So they legally owned them. There is no way too know.

And the ones you can catch? The 1 or 2 %? Ok, you are going to lock that person up in prison? For how long? Ruin their life and family? Over what? John Smith who has been a productive member of society for 30+ years goes to prison for 5 years. How is that going to help the situation? Who is going to pay for the increased prison population? Are you willing to have your taxes raised to support that?

The two AR's I personally own will still be fully functional, when people's great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, grandchildren are walking the earth.
Sounds like you possess some common sense.

I only disagree with you on the insurance policy.

Thank you for your input.

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Old 05-05-2013, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Come goose hunt with me and the cops (most are poor shots, by the way) and get them talking about gun control. None are above the rank of Sgt., all are patrol officers. All, each, every single one, is pro-gun control. Most are registered Republicans with a sprinkling of non-affiliated and Democrats.

For those of you who think LEO's will disobey an order for confiscation you need to re-think that. They'll snap to and go house to house.

Our elected Sheriff (R) recently testified against the proposed (and passed) new gun control laws here in MD. The majority of the Deputies signed a very strongly worded letter chastizing him. One of the said Deputies is a regular attendee at the County's Republican Central Committee meetings and is the chair of a couple committees.

We recently had a home inavasion turn out fatal for one of the invaders. The PIO for the department stated that there was nothing for which the homeowner could be cited. Yet.

Another note, most of the newer Wildlife Conservation Officers here are non-hunters and go out of their way to find a reason to cite you or confiscate your gun. I had one start to write me a citation a couple or three years ago for not having a shell limiting plug in my Over/Under.
This is my conumdrum - one rotton apple spoils it for the bunch.

My experience is that the LEO's in this area are pretty much corrupt, trigger happy, and anti-constitution.

Officer Phil sounds like he might be an exception, and of course he doesn't live or work around here.

Then I hear people like freightshaker talk about honest cops in Texas and think that maybe my area is just all bad.

I don't want to dislike all cops, but my experiences around here have taught me that I have to act like I am on a war-footing, because the LEO's most certainly are.

They arrest, shoot, or kill first - and ask questions later.

I want to live in an area where the police have respect for the citizenry, don't automatically assume that everyone is a criminal, and the citiens have mutual respect for the cops.

Maybe I just need to move out of southern California.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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I've made my point about this many times here: I have no problems with gun control regulations. I have no problems with:

-background checks
-banning felons, mentally ill, etc from owning guns

I also do not really have a problem with gun owners being made to have a million dollar umbrella insurance policy to have guns.

I am against banning guns, banning high capacity magazines, or gun registration. None of these issues will do a thing to curb gun violence or save a life. They are nothing more then "feel good" measures, which look good on paper, however do nothing to help the situation.

There are MILLIONS of these guns and magazines in circulation already. How am I supposed to know when you bought those magazines for the gun? You bought em 10 yrs ago? Well, you can't make a law which is "ex post facto." You can't deprive someone of their property, without due process of law. So they legally owned them. There is no way too know.

And the ones you can catch? The 1 or 2 %? Ok, you are going to lock that person up in prison? For how long? Ruin their life and family? Over what? John Smith who has been a productive member of society for 30+ years goes to prison for 5 years. How is that going to help the situation? Who is going to pay for the increased prison population? Are you willing to have your taxes raised to support that?

The two AR's I personally own will still be fully functional, when people's great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, grandchildren are walking the earth.
So you are saying that a poor family who can not afford a insurance policy, should not be allowed to own a firearm for the protection of their home?
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The survey was put online at policeone.com. ANYONE can go to policeone. However, you could not respond to the survey and you cannot post on policeone, unless you are vetted and certified law enforcement officer. The survey was given to the officers who are on policeone and you took the survey (yes, I participated). The results are what they are.

Whether you like it or not, the rank and file police officers, all across this country, ARE NOT for gun banning. They believe in reasonable gun control and enforcing the laws already existing. However, they are not for banning guns. I know its hard for you to believe, however the facts are just that; the facts.

No one was cherry picked. You could participate or not. It was your choice.
Total BS in another useless thread anyone can register on police one, there is no vetting. Go try registering, absolutely no screening.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:12 PM
 
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These people never see the angle that instead of banning guns their beloved government will just change the requirements for ownership. How easy is it to be considered a felon for non-violent crime? Saw a shrink for depression ten years ago? too bad so sad.Cant afford an insurance policy? Sorry no gun for you!
No one should have to ask permission of our violent government to own a tool for protection.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Not anymore.

California Open Carry Law Passed: Handguns Banned In Public

I am Governor Jerry Brown
My aura smiles
And never frowns
Soon I will be president
Carter Power will soon go away
I will be Fuhrer one day

The Dead Kennedys had it right, way back in 1979. I can't believe California actually put that ***hole back into office. What a bunch of dumb***es.
Don't blame me.

I voted for Meg Whitman.

And liberals around here claim that I "hate women".

Shoot, the only Democrat I ever voted for was a woman - she was elected - and she did a great job!

However, that was back when I was voting for every party but the Peace and Freedom party.

I learned later that the Republican candidate for the same office would have done better.

Thankfully, it was for a low level statewide office - and she couldn't do too much damage.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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These people never see the angle that instead of banning guns their beloved government will just change the requirements for ownership. How easy is it to be considered a felon for non-violent crime? Saw a shrink for depression ten years ago? too bad so sad.Cant afford an insurance policy? Sorry no gun for you!
No one should have to ask permission of our violent government to own a tool for protection.
Yep - an insurance policy requirement is just like a poll tax.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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I was wondering the same thing myself..if the respondants were from a cherry picked group or what..I honestly have never ran across a gun control freak officer and I worked in three different states as a LEO and worked around a very diverse group..for dem and repub controlled Sheriff's depts.
LOL - Democratic Republic of Redneckistan sounds like some places here in Kalifornistan.
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