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Old 04-10-2013, 09:21 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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What "inequality" in marriage rights?

Heteros are permitted to marry anyone of the opposite sex (within limits), and so are gays (within exactly the same limits).

Heteros are forbidden to marry anyone of the same sex, and so are gays.

There you are: Perfect equality of rights.

Oh, but you say gays don't WANT to marry the same people heteros want to marry?

What's that got to do with their rights?

 
Old 04-10-2013, 09:29 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Little-Acorn View Post
What "inequality" in marriage rights?
These for starters:

An Overview of Federal Rights and Protections Granted to Married Couples | Resources | Human Rights Campaign

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Heteros are permitted to marry anyone of the opposite sex (within limits), and so are gays (within exactly the same limits).

Heteros are forbidden to marry anyone of the same sex, and so are gays.

There you are: Perfect equality of rights.

Oh, but you say gays don't WANT to marry the same people heteros want to marry?

What's that got to do with their rights?


If you deny someone the right to marry on the basis of sex or sexual-orientation that is discrimination, just as it was discriminatory to deny people the right to marry on the basis of race.
 
Old 04-10-2013, 09:30 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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In the Jim Crow days and before:

Blacks were forbidden to go to certain schools that whites were allowed to go to.

Blacks were forbidden to enter certain restaurants that whites were allowed to enter.

Blacks were forbidden to marry certain people (whites of the opposite sex) that whites were allowed to marry.

Blacks were forbidden to ride in certain seats on buses, where whites were allowed to ride.

But today when it comes to marriage, gays are allowed to marry ALL of the same people heteros are allowed to marry.

And gays are forbidden to marry ALL of the same people heteros are forbidden to marry.

Sorry, folks, gays already have exactly equal rights in marriage, that heteros have. Unlike what blacks found in the Jim Crow days and before.
 
Old 04-10-2013, 09:32 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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If you deny someone the right to marry on the basis of sex or sexual-orientation that is discrimination, just as it was discriminatory to deny people the right to marry on the basis of race.
Stating this falsehood does not make it any less false. Neither does enacting it into law.

A marriage is, and has always been, a union of man and woman. Changing the definition, doesn't make the new definition true.

If someone made a law saying that the definition of "apple" is now changed so that it includes rocks, would that turn a rock into an apple?
 
Old 04-10-2013, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Originally Posted by Little-Acorn View Post
What "inequality" in marriage rights?

Heteros are permitted to marry anyone of the opposite sex (within limits), and so are gays (within exactly the same limits).

Heteros are forbidden to marry anyone of the same sex, and so are gays.

There you are: Perfect equality of rights.

Oh, but you say gays don't WANT to marry the same people heteros want to marry?

What's that got to do with their rights?
The bolded argument was used to try to prevent interracial marriage. Didn't work then, it won't work now.
 
Old 04-10-2013, 09:37 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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The bolded argument was used to try to prevent interracial marriage. Didn't work then, it won't work now.
Already refuted, see Post 23.

(yawn)
 
Old 04-10-2013, 09:37 AM
 
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Stating this falsehood does not make it any less false. Neither does enacting it into law.
What falsehood? You are the only one stating falsehoods. Like this one:

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But today when it comes to marriage, gays are allowed to marry ALL of the same people heteros are allowed to marry.
No, they are not. Heterosexuals are allowed to marry the sex they are attracted to. Homosexuals are not.

Again, if someone is denied the right to anything solely on the basis of their sex &/or their sexual orientation, that is discrimination.
 
Old 04-10-2013, 09:40 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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No, they are not. Heterosexuals are allowed to marry the sex they are attracted to. Homosexuals are not.
As I've already pointed out, that is a difference in their desires, not a difference in their rights.

Gays have fully equal rights in marriage, as heteros do.
 
Old 04-10-2013, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Originally Posted by Little-Acorn View Post
In the Jim Crow days and before:

Blacks were forbidden to go to certain schools that whites were allowed to go to.

Blacks were forbidden to enter certain restaurants that whites were allowed to enter.

Blacks were forbidden to marry certain people (whites of the opposite sex) that whites were allowed to marry.

Blacks were forbidden to ride in certain seats on buses, where whites were allowed to ride.

But today when it comes to marriage, gays are allowed to marry ALL of the same people heteros are allowed to marry.

And gays are forbidden to marry ALL of the same people whites are forbidden to marry.

Sorry, folks, gays already have exactly equal rights in marriage, that heteros have. Unlike what blacks found in the Jim Crow days and before.
So, equal protections under law only applies to those who have suffered the most?

Did you realize that in most states you can be fired for being gay?


Currently women are forbidden to legally marry a woman, but a man can. That is discrimination based on gender.



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The fifth, and final, argument judges would use to justify miscegenation law was undoubtedly the most important; it used these claims that interracial marriage was unnatural and immoral to find a way around the Fourteenth Amendment's guarantee of "equal protection under the laws." How did judges do this? They insisted that because miscegenation laws punished both the black and white partners to an interracial marriage, they affected blacks and whites "equally." This argument, which is usually called the equal application claim, was hammered out in state supreme courts in the late 1870s, endorsed by the United States Supreme Court in 1882, and would be repeated by judges for the next 85 years.
http://hnn.us/articles/4708.html

Same argument different basis of discrimination.

Last edited by jjrose; 04-10-2013 at 09:44 AM.. Reason: misread part of the post
 
Old 04-10-2013, 09:42 AM
 
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As I've already pointed out, that is a difference in their desires, not a difference in their rights.

Gays have fully equal rights in marriage, as heteros do.
You may continue to rationalize your prejudice, but that doesn't make what you are saying anymore true than those who used the same logic to oppose inter-racial marriage.
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