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Welfare types refer to two classifications of drugs. Government drugs and street drugs. Government drugs are just as destructive as street drugs. Just because a compound is prescribed does not mean that it is harmless. I see this all over Toronto. Poor people on the dole doped out of their head and put in storage. It's hypocritical to test them for street drugs and not prescribed medications. Dope is dope.
Only 2.6.% of Floridians applying for welfare failed this test because of drugs.
This idea goes around within conservative circles often and it is an idea that just doesn't pay off.
You do see the problem with this "Florida experience", don't you? It is not a scientific study and is based on a one time drug test for applicants.
Most applicants are bright enough to abstain from drug use for a few days to have a negative UDS. That certainly works for most narcotics (methadone being an exception, which can have a second phase elimination half life of up to 96 hours), cocaine, heroin (very short half life), and amphetamines. However, pot stays in the urine for up to 30 days.
I would bet that nearly all of those "turned down" for welfare were due to pot, not other drugs, as they were not bright enough to know the duration of a positive UDS after cessation.
This is the trouble when libs dabble in "science". They don't know what they are talking about, yet claim the uncontested bridle of truth, despite being flat out factually wrong, which can be exposed by a modest evaluation.
In Florida they did it and the rate was really low.
I think I recall reading that the cost of implementing the program was greater than the savings received by exposing the small number of drug users.
Then again, our governor is an awful person who I wouldn't be surprised if it came out he owns stock in the testing company.... so somebody is getting paid.
The rates were really low because over 800 people refused the drug testing. However at one point they felt over 2300 didn't test.
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Who started their application but didn’t take the test: Kreegel said 800 or so people walked away before taking the drug test. The department reported a number nearly three times as high -- 2,306.
Kreegel's numbers are also off. They’re actually higher than he stated, as 108 people failed the test and 2,306 applied for benefits but did not take the test.
So Kreegel gets the numbers wrong. But more importantly, he makes a blanket statement about people who don't take the test being on drugs, when evidence doesn't exist. We rate his claim False.
What drugs and to what end? I mean, there has to be a reason to tie drug use with benefits so I'd like to hear exactly what they are and what would be accomplished and what the benefit to society would be. If you are talking strictly about saving $ I doubt it would work out the way you imagine anyway. Is there any other "bad habits" we should be "testing/checking" for in order to receive "x" benefits?
The Canadian welfare system is insidious. There is our social safety net and it is now tied in with big pharma. Drug addicted poor are big business. Tax dollars pay for the "medications" - the poor ingest them whether they need them or not...and then those tax dollars end up in the pockets of those who have vested interests in drug manufacturing companies. It has become a form of money laundering.
The system here is describe as a social safety net. I don't see that. All I have witnessed is the storage and drugging of people that are considered useless. The poverty industry has run wild in Toronto. Having spoken to some recipients they mention re-training courses they are forced to take. The reality is that in private welfare bureaucrats will admit that there are not jobs for these re-trained people. It is evident that our welfare system is in place to employ welfare workers and all sorts of experts who do not bring about any positive change other than the steady collection of a paycheck.
Where is the concern about the drug use of wall street bankers that take a trillion gov dollars? why is there no concern about them? It has been seen time and time again there is little drug use among the poor receiving help... if you think about it, they really can't afford the drugs when rent and food aren't being met.
Causation is not adressed. Certainly there are a number of factors that lead to both poverty and drug abuse. The study only shows the correlation, but does not offer contributing factors, as they are mulitifactorial.
That link you keep referencing is not a study, as noted by another it is a paper with multiple references to multiple studies and the conclusion is, "we need to study this more."
I'm not saying that there isn't a problem with illegal drug usage among welfare recipients. And one of the very few studies that I found on the subject suggested that drug and alcohol dependency, as well as psychological issues like depression and PTSS are major barriers to moving beyond public assistance. However, the current testing schemes are not catching enough people to warrant the expense of the programs. And if these schemes are improved there is the question of what happens after people are caught using drugs. Do you simply kick people off any public assistance, thus potentially making the problems worse in a community, or do you provide social services and rehab, which are services that are more expensive to provide month to month than the public assistance they are receiving.
You do see the problem with this "Florida experience", don't you? It is not a scientific study and is based on a one time drug test for applicants.
Most applicants are bright enough to abstain from drug use for a few days to have a negative UDS. That certainly works for most narcotics (methadone being an exception, which can have a second phase elimination half life of up to 96 hours), cocaine, heroin (very short half life), and amphetamines. However, pot stays in the urine for up to 30 days.
I would bet that nearly all of those "turned down" for welfare were due to pot, not other drugs, as they were not bright enough to know the duration of a positive UDS after cessation.
This is the trouble when libs dabble in "science". They don't know what they are talking about, yet claim the uncontested bridle of truth, despite being flat out factually wrong, which can be exposed by a modest evaluation.
Wake up- your "Florida experience" is BS.
YOU need to wake up to the reality that most people on welfare are NOT drug users. Everytime this theory has been tested it fails. Stop clinging to your false stereotypes about welfare recipients. It will free your mind.
Large amounts of people refuse to go through with welfare funding all the time. The number of applicants to Floridas welfare funds was not at all different from prior years. The drug test changed NOTHING! And it cost the state billions of dollars to implement.
You do see the problem with this "Florida experience", don't you? It is not a scientific study and is based on a one time drug test for applicants.
Most applicants are bright enough to abstain from drug use for a few days to have a negative UDS. That certainly works for most narcotics (methadone being an exception, which can have a second phase elimination half life of up to 96 hours), cocaine, heroin (very short half life), and amphetamines. However, pot stays in the urine for up to 30 days.
I would bet that nearly all of those "turned down" for welfare were due to pot, not other drugs, as they were not bright enough to know the duration of a positive UDS after cessation.
This is the trouble when libs dabble in "science". They don't know what they are talking about, yet claim the uncontested bridle of truth, despite being flat out factually wrong, which can be exposed by a modest evaluation.
Wake up- your "Florida experience" is BS.
What if you live in a house with other people who smoke pot, i.e. what level of ambient environmental exposure will pos you?
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