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I would think some or most who are here ilegally would be denied a work visa or citizenship due to a criminal backgound or some other reason. I would be a grave mistake to grant any of them amnisty.
Sounds great but keep in mind these people failed miserably when it came to building their own country and made it so bad they had to flee it.
They will do nothing more for our country than they did for their own, they are pouring over the borders because Americans built a great country and they want in on it. They sure do love the easy money and government handouts here.
Does this also apply to the majority of European immigrants coming to the US that "failed miserably when it came to their own countries and made it so bad they had to flee it"?
Does this also apply to the majority of European immigrants coming to the US that "failed miserably when it came to their own countries and made it so bad they had to flee it"?
Were their countries failures? The USA is the most advanced nation in the world today, no one is coming to build it or rebuild it, it's already been built.
Don't forget the hispanic nations are also "nations of immigrants" but their immigrants failed to build them into something. They're part of the New World just as the USA is, only they failed.
I'm pretty much anti-immigration. In fact I think all immigration should be shut down and applications taken for citizenship from qualified people only from now on.
But there are some cases like this. And what the Hmong immigrants have done for St Paul is amazing. On the other hand the Somali immigrants are turning Minneapolis into Mogadishu. Talk about a difference.
Were their countries failures? The USA is the most advanced nation in the world today, no one is coming to build it or rebuild it, it's already been built.
Don't forget the hispanic nations are also "nations of immigrants" but their immigrants failed to build them into something. They're part of the New World just as the USA is, only they failed.
Failures? Considering that millions of these immigrants who came were escaping the merciless persecution in their native countries I would say yes. Doesn't seem too far off from what you're alleging as the state of these Hispanic nations you've failed to specify. Keep in mind the eugenic ideologies and mass persecution building in Europe at that time almost devastated the world.
You're unfairly judging 'hispanic nations' and the people who live in them, as if they're not worthy of coming here because their native lands aren't good enough. If that was case almost no descendant of an immigrant in this country should be here. The majority of immigrants to the US did not come here on some extended vacation just to see a different part of the world. They came because their countries were a mess at that time. Regardless of the legal status of the immigrant the fact that you think Hispanics don't deserve the invitation to escape unsuitable standards of living is nothing but sheer hypocrisy and irrational hypocrisy at that.
Failures? Considering that millions of these immigrants who came were escaping the merciless persecution in their native countries I would say yes. Doesn't seem too far off from what you're alleging as the state of these Hispanic nations you've failed to specify. Keep in mind the eugenic ideologies and mass persecution building in Europe at that time almost devastated the world.
You're unfairly judging 'hispanic nations' and the people who live in them, as if they're not worthy of coming here because their native lands aren't good enough. If that was case almost no descendant of an immigrant in this country should be here. The majority of immigrants to the US did not come here on some extended vacation just to see a different part of the world. They came because their countries were a mess at that time. Regardless of the legal status of the immigrant the fact that you think Hispanics don't deserve the invitation to escape unsuitable standards of living is nothing but sheer hypocrisy and irrational hypocrisy at that.
The early immigrants came over before the federal government began regulating immigration, they were here legally. Legality is the main issue. Restrictions were put on the number of immigrants for a reason. You cant just disregard that.
Our country and its people are not responsible for another countrys unsuitable standards. Why are we obligated to sacrifice our own peoples standards to clean up someone elses mess.
I'm pretty much anti-immigration. In fact I think all immigration should be shut down and applications taken for citizenship from qualified people only from now on.
But there are some cases like this. And what the Hmong immigrants have done for St Paul is amazing. On the other hand the Somali immigrants are turning Minneapolis into Mogadishu. Talk about a difference.
The difference is assimilation vs maintaining. No problem with legal immigrants assimilating into the U.S.. Big problem with people just showing up and continuing with the ways of the place they left and in fact attempting to change the U.S. into the place they left, more to the point, demanding we change to fit them.
If it was soooo great why did they leave it to begin with?
The majority of immigrants to the US did not come here on some extended vacation just to see a different part of the world. They came because their countries were a mess at that time. Regardless of the legal status of the immigrant the fact that you think Hispanics don't deserve the invitation to escape unsuitable standards of living is nothing but sheer hypocrisy and irrational hypocrisy at that.
Untrue. Many came for opportunity. Just like they came to hispanic countries. The only difference was the U.S succeeded & many South American countries failed.
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If that was case almost no descendant of an immigrant in this country should be here
Why?
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You're unfairly judging 'hispanic nations' and the people who live in them, as if they're not worthy of coming here because their native lands aren't good enough
They should do it legally. The majority don't.
If they are not honest enough to do it through legal means than yes they are not worthy.
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Failures? Considering that millions of these immigrants who came were escaping the merciless persecution in their native countries I would say yes. Doesn't seem too far off from what you're alleging as the state of these Hispanic nations you've failed to specify. Keep in mind the eugenic ideologies and mass persecution building in Europe at that time almost devastated the world.
What persecution did they escape? Seems like middle Eastern countries can use that excuse.
Untrue. Many came for opportunity. Just like they came to hispanic countries. The only difference was the U.S succeeded & many South American countries failed.
Opportunity that often times was not better accessible to them in their own countries. Sounds like you're just rephrasing the same thing I said.
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Why?
Because once again, many here are descendants of immigrants who came here because they were facing terrible conditions in their native countries. This is usually just plain common knowledge.
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They should do it legally. The majority don't.
If they are not honest enough to do it through legal means than yes they are not worthy.
If you recall a previous post of mine I said I was disregarding legal status of an immigrant in response to this post by malamute:
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Sounds great but keep in mind these people failed miserably when it came to building their own country and made it so bad they had to flee it.
They will do nothing more for our country than they did for their own, they are pouring over the borders because Americans built a great country and they want in on it. They sure do love the easy money and government handouts here.
It was implied in his post that regardless of a Hispanic immigrant's legal status that they are only coming here because they are collectively responsible for ruining conditions in their own countries, which is a completely ludicrous accusation.
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What persecution did they escape? Seems like middle Eastern countries can use that excuse.
What persecution? You mean the many Irish escaping famine, English oppression and religious persecution through Penal Laws? Or the large droves of Eastern and Southern European immigrants (many of them Jews) escaping the growing anti-Slavic and anti-Semitic violence and persecution in Poland and Russia? Well looking at it by that metric you might be right, no real persecution going on that would influence their migration to America. My bad.
The early immigrants came over before the federal government began regulating immigration, they were here legally. Legality is the main issue. Restrictions were put on the number of immigrants for a reason. You cant just disregard that.
Our country and its people are not responsible for another countrys unsuitable standards. Why are we obligated to sacrifice our own peoples standards to clean up someone elses mess.
Legality was not the main issue. In fact the Immigration Act of 1924 was mainly intended to limit increasing Eastern and Southern European immigration by and large as a result of the same anti-immigrant sentiment I challenged malamute on that was being expressed by the dominant Anglo-Saxon Protestant elite:
The Eastern and Southern Europeans and Jews were not the "right" type of immigrants, and since they were presumed to be coming from "inferior" cultures and "inferior" countries with "inferior" Catholic/Jewish religion, they deserved to have their immigration limited drastically. If they were to continue immigrating into the country at their current rate they would ruin it. They were accused of not assimilating and diluting the cultural greatness of the founding Northern European races.
You can go through this entire board and see that this type of sentiment has not changed, its target group is just different. That was my entire point, you say America is not responsible for another country's mess, but it is precisely because the country made a promise (that it half-assed or intentionally failed in fulfilling for certain groups of people) that it could take in the people suffering in another land's mess that all of these "great Americans" you pride on preserving against the Hispanics CAME IN THE FIRST PLACE.
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