Ben Carson Steps Down as Hopkins Commencement Speaker (Condi Rice, drug, racist)
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What? Me saying that Carson did something commendable by putting the graduates first is somehow me implicitly acknowledging that Carson scares the hell out of me because of my liberal beliefs?
Good god, you are seriously brainwashed. Carson did something praiseworthy by putting the grads first. Not everyone involved in politics would have done that. It was a compliment to him as a person.
They would have had the opportunity to listen to a great man who's wisdom would have inspired them.
Instead, they'll get some leftie wacko talking about how the world owes them something.
I don't believe Carson actually compared homosexuality to bestiality. He merely stated that both were sexual perversions.
That IS the comparison.
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I agree with Carson. It's very unfortunate that people who do not believe that homosexuality is good or normal, are shunned and made to feel like they are insensitive and/or intolerant.
Sorry that we don't make it easier for you to cast judgment upon others and practice hate masked as concern for moral good. Actually, I take that back. Not sorry.
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He has a right to his opinions and beliefs, just as you have a right to yours.
And when we verbalize our opinions and beliefs, others are allowed to disagree with them and find them offensive.
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It's too bad that he has decided to step down. The JHU graduates will surely miss out.
You think that Hopkins is going to have a problem finding a great person to talk about the med school commencement? They'll do just fine, as they always have.
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They would have had the opportunity to listen to a great man who's wisdom would have inspired them.
Yes, it's too bad that he voiced such stupid, irrational homophobia. I'm sure he would have given a great commencement address about things that were actually relevant to new doctors. Unfortunately because of his political pandering, the graduates won't get to hear what he had to say.
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Instead, they'll get some leftie wacko talking about how the world owes them something.
I'm sure that the graduating class from Johns Hopkins University's Medical School includes both liberals and conservatives, none of whom got to where they are by thinking the world owes them.
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I think he simply views homosexuality as a sexual perversion, like any other sexual perversion (i.e. addiction to porn, bestiality, incest, pedophilia, etc). Some people don't understand that many do not view homosexuality as distinct from other activities classified as abnormal behavior, so when they speak about homosexuality, they will include those other topics as well.
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Sorry that we don't make it easier for you to cast judgment upon others and practice hate masked as concern for moral good. Actually, I take that back. Not sorry.
I have no issues with gay people. I don't think it's any of my business who they choose to sleep with. I only have an issue, when people speak badly about those who do not wish to praise homosexuality or believe that it's normal. To my knowledge, Dr. Carson hasn't discriminated against homosexuals, he simply believes that their behavior is a sexual perversion. As long as he is not advocating violence, I don't see any problems with him holding these beliefs, because we are all entitled to have our our beliefs and values.
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And when we verbalize our opinions and beliefs, others are allowed to disagree with them and find them offensive.
You think that Hopkins is going to have a problem finding a great person to talk about the med school commencement? They'll do just fine, as they always have.
JHU is a liberal leaning university, and I think it's important for people to maintain a balance, so yes, it will be a lost. Just as it would be a lost, if a conservative university invited a dynamic well respected liberal to speak. We can learn from each other, it's never a good idea to simply ignore another person's words, simply because you disagree with them (especially if there is truth).
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Yes, it's too bad that he voiced such stupid, irrational homophobia. I'm sure he would have given a great commencement address about things that were actually relevant to new doctors. Unfortunately because of his political pandering, the graduates won't get to hear what he had to say.
I don't believe that he voiced homophobic views, by simply stating that homosexuality is a sexual perversion. If a person expresses a belief that they do not like homosexuality, does that really make them a bigot?
Am I a bigot against drug users/abusers, because I don't like the fact that they use drugs?
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I think he simply views homosexuality as a sexual perversion, like any other sexual perversion (i.e. addiction to porn, bestiality, incest, pedophilia, etc).
Why are you not getting that Carson's grouping of homosexuality with pedophilia and bestiality and through this grouping compared homosexuality to pedophilia and bestiality IS the problem?
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ISome people don't understand that many do not view homosexuality as distinct from other activities classified as abnormal behavior, so when they speak about homosexuality, they will include those other topics as well.
Who doesn't understand that homophobes think that homosexuality is abnormal, perverted behavior?
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I have no issues with gay people. I don't think it's any of my business who they choose to sleep with.
If only what you just said were true.
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I don't believe Carson actually compared homosexuality to bestiality. He merely stated that both were sexual perversions. I agree with Carson.
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II only have an issue, when people speak badly about those who do not wish to praise homosexuality or believe that it's normal. To my knowledge, Dr. Carson hasn't discriminated against homosexuals, he simply believes that their behavior is a sexual perversion.
You have an issue with those who call homosexuality abnormal not being embraced by all people, including those who find that view nothing more than bigotry, but you don't have a problem calling people who just happen to love someone of the same sex a perversion? Are you familiar with the word hypocrisy? Stop whining about not being able to dole out hate speech without others having a problem with it.
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As long as he is not advocating violence, I don't see any problems with him holding these beliefs, because we are all entitled to have our our beliefs and values.
Who said he can't hold these beliefs?
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JHU is a liberal leaning university,
You can't generalize the politics of a professional school, especially a medical school, in this way.
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and I think it's important for people to maintain a balance, so yes, it will be a lost. Just as it would be a lost, if a conservative university invited a dynamic well respected liberal to speak. We can learn from each other, it's never a good idea to simply ignore another person's words, simply because you disagree with them (especially if there is truth).
Carson works at JHH as, among other things, the Director of Pediatric Neurosurgery, and it was his decision to recuse himself as commencement speaker.
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I don't believe that he voiced homophobic views, by simply stating that homosexuality is a sexual perversion.
You've got to be joking. That's a textbook example of what constitutes a homophobic view.
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If a person expresses a belief that they do not like homosexuality, does that really make them a bigot?
Yes.
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Am I a bigot against drug users/abusers, because I don't like the fact that they use drugs?
Logical fallacy driven by your homophobic view that gay people are doing something wrong.
He needs to step down from his sideshow seat on the Sean Hannity Show to get some semblance of sense and stability back in his life. Let it be a lesson for all - no matter how educated and well known you are, a few months of constant interaction with nutjob TeaPartiers will close to destroy your credibility and make you sound like a crazy lunatic.
More like embarrassing himself, a medical doctor trained in science, making statements comparing homosexuality with bestiality and pedophilia.
He did not compare homosexuality with bestiality and pedophilia. His point was that if the Supreme Court could rule that homosexual people should be allowed to marry because they love each other, then it could open the door for other groups to make that claim. It's not a stupid argument. I'm sure he realizes that homosexuality is not the same as bestiality or pedophilia, but there are groups out there advocating for legalizing pedophilia for the reason that they "love" each other (NAMBLA means North American Man/Boy Love Association).
That right there is a problem in the black community. Why do black people hate other blacks who are conservative? Listen to the man for two minutes and you can see he's his own man, no one's step and fetchit. You should be praising his story. He came up from extreme poverty to become a doctor, and his brother a rocket scientist, all because his mother inspired them to work hard and find their full potential. And what has he done with his life? He's helped countless people as a pediatric neurosurgeon, as well as started a foundation to help poor kids get scholarships. What a sell-out!
But, but, but...He was on Hannity! Oh no, that wipes out years of good works.
Do you really think it's unheard for a medical doctor to be conservative? My sister is married to a doctor, so I've met numerous doctors. They tend to be conservative, mainly because of the relationship between democrats and trial lawyers. Not too many doctors like trial lawyers. Dr. Carson also is a Christian who does not believe the definition of marriage should be changed. Not an unheard of position.
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In your estimation would you think that the grads that had an issue with him speaking were liberals or conservatives?
Does it really matter?
Look, it's only ONE commencement speech at one university. He'll get invited to other commencement speeches i'm sure. Not to mention that he's all over TV and radio already.
So some liberal (or whatever) grads didn't want him speaking at their graduation. Big deal. It's their moment, not his.
Look, it's only ONE commencement speech at one university. He'll get invited to other commencement speeches i'm sure. Not to mention that he's all over TV and radio already.
So some liberal (or whatever) grads didn't want him speaking at their graduation. Big deal. It's their moment, not his.
In fact, he gave what sounds like a great speech at the high school named after him in Detroit on Friday.
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