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Old 04-16-2013, 11:03 PM
 
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Considering the outrage and controversy at Mrs T being given a ceremonial funeral at the cost of 10 million pounds during a time of austerity I don't think most Brits are going to notice much....

She was the most divisive politician possibly in British History and her toxic legacy is still with us to this day.

Her funeral is an outrage and morally bankrupt decision considering we are told there is no money for nurses, social workers or teachers but plenty for a multimillionaire whose family could afford to pay for her own bloody funeral.


The woman who hated "parasites" and "scroungers" now scrounging off the British taxpayer. Quelle surprise.



So we should stay away from socialist type programs as they are not panning out well over the long term there?
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Old 04-16-2013, 11:04 PM
 
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Agreed. Baker and Schultz will be there as well. If President Obama, the FLOTUS or VP attended, the RW would be screaming that they're needed here. Same tiresome automatic criticism we've grown used to when it comes to President Obama. Get over it.



Not so.
There is a recognized sense of decorum.
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Old 04-16-2013, 11:05 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Simply incorrect on both counts.

Ah, so there's a glimmer of light here after all? Yes: in as much as the president of the United States is head of state, he is in terms of protocol equivalent to royalty.

Baroness Thatcher was merely her royal mistress's chief minister: in effect, equivalent to an American cabinet secretary, though first among them, primus inter pares.

Would anyone expect Great Britain's Sovereign to attend the funeral of a leading American cabinet secretary? It isn't done: instead, if required, the Queen commands someone of equivalent stature to attend as her representative.

And recall that The Queen herself does not ordinarily attend the funerals of her own ministers, even former chief ministers, and was originally not going to attend this one.
Wrong once again. The PM is the elected and effective head of state. The royals are largely symbolic and a figurehead, figuring very little in the day to day operation and decision making of the country. Like our president, the PM is restrained by their legislative branch (parliament). While the PM is the equivalent of our President, we have no real equivalent of royalty. The entire concept of a divine birthright is something citizens of this country threw off. Though Obama does seem to forget that at times.
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Old 04-16-2013, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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The current British government (and they're led by the Conservatives) gets along fine with the Obama Administration. In fact, they probably breathed a sign of relief that he won reelection after Romney offended them with his comments about the readiness of the London Olympic games.

All this so-called outrage about US delegations to Mrs. Thatcher's funeral is simply a manufactured tiff. Silly.
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Old 04-17-2013, 12:40 AM
 
Location: Portlandia "burbs"
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And the Brits are ticked off - Margaret Thatcher funeral: President Obama won't send envoy - and leaves it to her old allies from Reagan era | Mail Online

Why not? This will be a busy week for the president pushing gun control issues. Really, they couldn't even spare that moron Biden? This is a truely classless move by a classless president.

But he made sure someone was sent for Hugo Chavez's funeral.
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Old 04-17-2013, 03:04 AM
 
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The woman had and has more of an impact then you and 20 million other Brits ever will have. She helped shape this world into a better place and deserves accolades. Sorry she actually made you work for a living and not live off of freebie handouts the rest of your life.
so how about the millions she put out of work and forced onto Welfare - how does your theory work out here?
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Old 04-17-2013, 03:06 AM
 
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The woman had and has more of an impact then you and 20 million other Brits ever will have. She helped shape this world into a better place and deserves accolades. Sorry she actually made you work for a living and not live off of freebie handouts the rest of your life.
I remember you saying you were an African American - so with that in mind, how do you feel about Thatcher's support for Apartheid in South Africa and her labeling of Nelson Mandela as a 'dirty little terrorist bugger'?

doesn't that strike you as a little racist?
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Old 04-17-2013, 03:09 AM
 
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People there are sicko if they're really going to do this (from the article). Wonder if the "bad attitude" has something to do with Obama not wanting to send anyone. Gotta keep up being on the side of the radicals.

seems fair enough to me.

for a woman that destroyed British society and industry what else can you expect?
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Old 04-17-2013, 03:14 AM
 
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And the Brits are ticked off - Margaret Thatcher funeral: President Obama won't send envoy - and leaves it to her old allies from Reagan era | Mail Online

Why not? This will be a busy week for the president pushing gun control issues. Really, they couldn't even spare that moron Biden? This is a truely classless move by a classless president.
I think America's representatives to Thatcher's funeral are especially appropriate, considering their actual connexion with the woman and her era. It is an excellent and thoughtful choice.
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Old 04-17-2013, 03:24 AM
 
Location: Texas
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And the Brits are ticked off - Margaret Thatcher funeral: President Obama won't send envoy - and leaves it to her old allies from Reagan era | Mail Online

Why not? This will be a busy week for the president pushing gun control issues. Really, they couldn't even spare that moron Biden? This is a truely classless move by a classless president.
Chill!

Thatcher left office more than two decades ago. The fact that the current conservative Brit govt decided to make it a "state funeral" doesn't change that fact. Besides, the USA will be well represented. From your link:

Whitehall sources have revealed that the US delegation at tomorrow's service in St Paul's Cathedral will be led by two Reagan era secretaries of state: James Baker and George Shultz.

It'll be OK. Really.
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