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Old 04-17-2013, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Inslee, lawmakers plan ‘aggressive’ DUI crackdown | Local News | The Seattle Times

We've recently had some horrific crashes here in the Seattle area involving repeat DUI offenders, so there is a push for new legislation.

A state rep named Roger Goodman (D Kirkland) has an interesting new approach. He proposes that anyone convicted of 3 or more DUIs be banned from buying alcohol for 10 years. Enforcement would be effected by creating a special, distinctive driver's license for people with 3 DUI's. This would also mean that clerks and bartenders would have to check ID for every customer, every time.

I heard Rep. Goodman interviewed last night. He said that the approach of taking away their driver's license or car keys doesn't work, because the offenders end up ignoring the law and driving anyway. He also said that a similar system is already in place in Alaska.

What is your opinion on this approach?
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Old 04-17-2013, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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A side note here is that Goodman himself was accused by his ex of being a pot head, and driving the family car with their kids while stoned out of his mind. He was never popped for this by police, but it came up in their divorce proceedings. He was largely able to keep it out of the press, I guess because of the absence of conviction. It did make it into some neighborhood papers but never hit the major news outlets like the Seattle Times.

Wife claims Rep. Goodman drove high with kids in the car, he denies allegations | Update - Kirkland Reporter

The only reason I knew about this is that a friend of mine is long time friends with the rep's ex-wife. My friend is 100% convinced that the ex-wife's side of the story is accurate.
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Old 04-17-2013, 01:35 PM
 
Location: NC
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Interesting idea but may be hard to enforce.
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Old 04-17-2013, 01:36 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Inslee, lawmakers plan ‘aggressive’ DUI crackdown | Local News | The Seattle Times

We've recently had some horrific crashes here in the Seattle area involving repeat DUI offenders, so there is a push for new legislation.

A state rep named Roger Goodman (D Kirkland) has an interesting new approach. He proposes that anyone convicted of 3 or more DUIs be banned from buying alcohol for 10 years. Enforcement would be effected by creating a special, distinctive driver's license for people with 3 DUI's. This would also mean that clerks and bartenders would have to check ID for every customer, every time.

I heard Rep. Goodman interviewed last night. He said that the approach of taking away their driver's license or car keys doesn't work, because the offenders end up ignoring the law and driving anyway. He also said that a similar system is already in place in Alaska.

What is your opinion on this approach?
It will never pass. As soon as someone mentions you will be carding seniors it will die (the bill, not seniors). If seniors not being able to get an ID to vote is discrimination, so is requiring them to get an ID to buy alcohol.
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Old 04-17-2013, 01:41 PM
 
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Interesting idea but may be hard to enforce.
Yep. Not sure how they would under our current system. Would they require a NICS style background check for alcohol purchases. Most of the stores here don't card if someone buying alcohol or tobacco looks 40 or older. And bars/restaurants?
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Old 04-17-2013, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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"He said that the approach of taking away their driver's license or car keys doesn't work, because the offenders end up ignoring the law and driving anyway."

Right. the offenders don't obey the laws that exist now. so we should pass another law. THAT always works, doesn't it!
I like the idea of confiscating the vehicle that is being driven while drunk or stoned, and selling it immediately upon conviction. No, it doesn't matter whose vehicle it is, it gets sold. If you were dumb enough to loan your vehicle to a drunk, and you want it back, feel free to go bid at the auction.
Oh, and the cops keep the money from the auction, so if you owe on the vehicle, you will have to make repayment arrangements with your bank or credit union.
At the same time, allow insurance companies to blacklist the drunk, so he or she can never again get even basic liability insurance.
No license, no insurance, no vehicle, no one to borrow a vehicle from, no drunk driver!
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Old 04-17-2013, 01:55 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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"He said that the approach of taking away their driver's license or car keys doesn't work, because the offenders end up ignoring the law and driving anyway."

Right. the offenders don't obey the laws that exist now. so we should pass another law. THAT always works, doesn't it!
I like the idea of confiscating the vehicle that is being driven while drunk or stoned, and selling it immediately upon conviction. No, it doesn't matter whose vehicle it is, it gets sold. If you were dumb enough to loan your vehicle to a drunk, and you want it back, feel free to go bid at the auction.
Oh, and the cops keep the money from the auction, so if you owe on the vehicle, you will have to make repayment arrangements with your bank or credit union.
At the same time, allow insurance companies to blacklist the drunk, so he or she can never again get even basic liability insurance.
No license, no insurance, no vehicle, no one to borrow a vehicle from, no drunk driver!
That sounds fair. I let a friend barrow my car to go to the store, at the store the buy a 5th and pound it in the parking lot then drive back a get a DUI, my car should defiantly be sold.
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Old 04-17-2013, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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It's discriminatory against all those minorities that don't have ID cards...
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Old 04-17-2013, 02:33 PM
 
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After the 3rd conviction for DWI someone should be doing life in prison..... you forfeit your privilege to be among decent law abiding citizens by being a consistent piece of garbage and a danger to many
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Old 04-17-2013, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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After the 3rd conviction for DWI someone should be doing life in prison..... you forfeit your privilege to be among decent law abiding citizens by being a consistent piece of garbage and a danger to many
Dude, we can't even lock up real criminals these days. Burglars, armed robbers, home invaders are all turned out of our revolving door criminal justice system. And you want to lock up people for life over a couple beers?
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