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Originally Posted by janelle144
Not sure but it's the same way with everything. The ex members of anything are always the most critical of the thing they left. Guess they need it to support their views. They can't just walk away and say it wasn't for them.
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Again, you're not making any sense. Who better to criticize an organization than its former members and dogma adherents?
Of COURSE i need that experience to support my views, or at least if i don't NEED it, it's damn sure helpful when coming up with a hypothesis as to why i don't believe in it anymore.
And i did just walk away and say that it wasn't for me, but why should my words end there? Because YOU say that i should? No...i will not simply walk away. This religious thing is corrosive, regressive, and dangerous, and i take my duty to speak out against it very serious even if it rubs people the wrong way.
Besides, why should you care? If your almighty God is who you say he is, why should my words matter?
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Originally Posted by toodie
Enlightenment and atheism are an oxymoron, imho.
Children don't need to be bullied and forced to believe in anything, but children do need guidance and education regarding different spiritual pathways and an understanding of religious doctrines, until they're old enough to choose their own truth. If you don't like the word "religion" then how about spirituality, something that reaches beyond ourselves.
Major problem these days is the fact that parents don't want to take responsibility for teaching their children well about life, politics, religion, their family history and ancestry, how this country was formed and why, danger of radicalism in any form, on and on.
Parents think nowadays that kids will magically become responsible adults. Parents are becoming more and more lazy in raising their kids. Plus, they don't even know their own spiritual pathway in life well enough to set an example for their kids by practicing their own moral and spiritual values.
Wake Up America!! Your kids need you.
best,
toodie
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Total nonsense.
To say that atheism denotes a lack of enlightenment is stupid. Most religious people have never tried atheism or even questioned the indoctrination that their parents gave them. How is that being enlightened?
Atheists on the other hand have almost to a man come to such a belief AFTER being raised (a.k.a. indoctrinated) in at least a quasi-religious household where belief in God is at least paid lip service.
You can teach your children about religion, civics, history and ancestry without making them religious myrmidons.
How am i teaching my son anything by baptizing him into a faith that he had no power to choose for himself? That's just teaching him to accept things the way they are just because they've always been that way. Again, where is the enlightenment in that?
To suggest that religion is the only way humankind can reach or appreciate something beyond themselves is silly. They can look out at the night sky and see the cosmos and figure that out. They can gain an appreciation for books, art, science, music,...those things are so much more beautiful than telling me that if i covet my neighbors possessions, i'm going to hell.
You're simply dead ass wrong when you say that parents nowadays think children will magically become responsible adults. But even if they did believe that, what does religion have to do with personal responsibility? Obviously nothing, seeing as how this is a so called "Christian nation" and you think that parents aren't properly raising their kids. You're contradicting yourself on that point.
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