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This is truly one of the stupidest posts I've ever seen. White supremacists are extremist groups who promote hate and bigotry. It's like asking "Can you not be a jihadist who is peaceful and just wants to be left alone?"
It depends on what you understand "homophobia" to mean. If you understand (as most liberals do) "homophobia" to be a general label that includes a bunch of different specific reasons (dogmatic religious belief, sexual squeamishness, repressed self loathing, etc.) then branding someone a "homophobe" is simply a convenient way to get past the red-herring of personal motive and talk instead about the real issue as we see it.
So here is another example of the conservative reflex to be simplistic and reductionist. We honestly do not care what your personal motives are, we care only about your arguments. And we do not frame our arguments against you as simple dismissals of your "homophobia." Anyone who doubts this should start his or her self-education by reading the transcripts from Perry v. Schwarzenegger, the big California case challenging the constitutionality of Proposition 8. The "nuanced" arguments defending the law made every effort to ignore personal motives... and they still lost badly.
And not one of our arguments was that you are "homophobes."
Ignoring that a "phobia" is not a hatred, it is a fear, the nuance behind your opinion is meaningless unless it can be framed as a legitimate argument.
I shouldn't have used the term homophobe; instead I should have said bigot. It's often implied by Liberals that any opposition to gay marriage simply means you dislike or outright hate gay people. Of course, I don't believe that represents all Liberals, but it's certainly rampant on forums, Twitter, Facebook, etc. by legions of Liberals who look at the issue superficially.
And its exactly the same thing, the left will deny its Muslim extremists, as if they do not exist or in some bubble, but if it is a Right wing extremist group it represents all of them. It just goes to show the hypocrisy. Funny how you leftist circle the wagons and deny you are doing it. You make me laugh.
Why do you blame all Muslims for what Muslim extremists do? Or are you trying to say that not all Muslim extremists are bad, just like you claim that not all white supremacists are bad.
LOL this post is almost too dumb to comment on. People want to be sure to point out that it was horrible people that did this, total scum. But the intent should not be to point out an entire race or religion as horrible people.
Precisely. There are a great number of immoral people out there ready to stoop to the lowest form of bigotry and hate given any excuse. When someone who does something wrong has one of the same characteristics that the haters fix their hate on, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know that the haters are going to try to corrupt the situation into an excuse to spew their vacuous vitriol on all those with the characteristic.
Precisely. There are a great number of immoral people out there ready to stoop to the lowest form of bigotry and hate given any excuse. When someone who does something wrong has one of the same characteristics that the haters fix their hate on, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know that the haters are going to try to corrupt the situation into an excuse to spew their vacuous vitriol on all those with the characteristic.
It doesn't take a brain surgeon to see the post specifically said Muslim extremists. I think you just wanted to use the words 'spew their vacuous venom' in a sentence.
LOL this post is almost too dumb to comment on. People want to be sure to point out that it was horrible people that did this, total scum. But the intent should not be to point out an entire race or religion as horrible people.
Precisely. There are a great number of immoral people out there ready to stoop to the lowest form of bigotry and hate given any excuse. When someone who does something wrong has one of the same characteristics that the haters fix their hate on, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know that the haters are going to try to corrupt the situation into an excuse to spew their vacuous vitriol on all those with the characteristic.
It doesn't take a brain surgeon to see the post specifically said Muslim extremists.
Wrong. The post I replied to said, "an entire race or religion".
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Originally Posted by jazzarama
I think you just wanted to use the words 'spew their vacuous venom' in a sentence.
I think you were just desperate to say something, anything, to distract attention away from a point you didn't like.
Like it or not, whenever a Muslim extremist does something, hateful people in our country go irrationally apoplectic, aiming their vitriol at Muslims. It's ignorant. It's morally bankrupt. But it's real, and we, as a society, have to deal with it. And that means confronting it head-on.
the problem is that there are a LOT of muslim extremists and they don't like us, (and, of course, their numbers are rising with all the wars). Our biggest terrorist attacks have been committed by militant muslims-and that is a fact-like it or not. (3 attacks just since Obama took office)
it amazes me that the left jumps to defend the very group of people who, if ever put in charge, would probably exterminate most of the them-because their "freedoms" run against the muslim culture. Ever more tragic is that our government (with our help and our taxpayer funded weapons) is helping to overthrow the very people who have kept the muslim extremists at bay-so now we have multiple countries at war and multiple civilian casualties.
here in America things aren't any better. the main lesson we have learned is this:
•It turns out that after spending hundreds of billions on foreign wars and nearly an equal amount on a new bureaucracy called the Department of Homeland Security, Americans are just as vulnerable to Islamic terrorist attacks as they were on 9/11.
Wrong. The post I replied to said, "an entire race or religion".
I think you were just desperate to say something, anything, to distract attention away from a point you didn't like.
Like it or not, whenever a Muslim extremist does something, hateful people in our country go irrationally apoplectic, aiming their vitriol at Muslims. It's ignorant. It's morally bankrupt. But it's real, and we, as a society, have to deal with it. And that means confronting it head-on.
Post 49: "And its exactly the same thing, the left will deny its Muslim extremists, as if they do not exist or in some bubble, but if it is a Right wing extremist group it represents all of them. It just goes to show the hypocrisy. Funny how you leftist circle the wagons and deny you are doing it. You make me laugh."
Sure, there are knuckleheads around who might blame ALL Muslims or ALL Tea Party members or ALL [name a group] for the acts of specific members. You happened to spew your vacuous venom where that didn't happen.
Oh but they are. Its these kids grew up in war torn places, these kids were brain washed, the younger was lead astray by the older. Its a million excuses and even to the extent that Maddows put out that motive is not really important. Maddow had a 15 min piece titled that with killers motive is not important.
Jihad is what Islam is about. It always has been. Learn the history of Islam. Recall the reason for the Cursades, which were the response to the hordes of Muslims which had been invading, terrorizing and slaughtering Christians and conquering. They were finally driven back (the Crusades).
“Don’t you just hate it when you can’t make it to the finish line #BostonBombings,” tweeted Harakat Al-Shabaab Al Mujahideen, a Somali terrorist cell, just after the horrific attacks one week ago yesterday.
Then this: “Amputations mean that some will never be able to run another marathon again. #BostonBombings”
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it amazes me that the left jumps to defend the very group of people who, if ever put in charge, would probably exterminate most of the them-because their "freedoms" run against the muslim culture.
Let's be clear: What you wrote right here is false - a self-deception that you're using to rationalize your irrational antipathy toward the left. I haven't seen one post by a left-leaning poster on C-D that defends anyone willing to commit terror to promulgate their religious perspective - not Christian extremists willing to do so, nor Muslim extremists willing to do so, etc. Not one left-leaning person does that. You're telling yourself a lie.
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Originally Posted by floridasandy
It turns out that after spending hundreds of billions on foreign wars and nearly an equal amount on a new bureaucracy called the Department of Homeland Security, Americans are just as vulnerable to Islamic terrorist attacks as they were on 9/11.
If you see the world in black-and-white, then you might as well give up on having police, because we're "just as vulnerable" to being mugged with police as without police. You might as well give up having doctors, because we're "just as vulnerable" to premature death due to disease with doctors as without doctors. The point is that we're not "just as vulnerable". The probabilities have changed.
Now, to be fair, through much of the first decade of the century, our efforts to confront terrorism at home, which invariably did reduce the chances of such attacks, were accompanied by efforts abroad, in the form of an unjust war, which invariably did increase the chance of such attacks - perhaps even more so than homeland security reduced the chances. It would be oh-so-nice if there was always one variable that affected everything, and would be oh-so-nice if there was always only one thing that moving any lever did, but that's not reality.
If you really care about reducing the chances of terror, you need to take very seriously the need to do a full, non-judgmental, honest appraisal of what causes terror, and take action to remove the incentive, even if that means doing things that you don't feel you should need to do: The world is not fair. This is one of the elements of reality that people living in fantasy need to come to grips with: The world is not fair. In this case, it means that things that we wouldn't have to do in a perfect world we actually do have to do in this world, if we really want to make things better for our society. Because we're not God. We cannot control what happens outside ourselves.
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