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Disagree.
Private school selects for kids who are usually from households that are more successful and education-oriented. The kids at the private school I went to were sons/daughters of ambassadors, CEOs, high level tech/engineering/STEM, etc. I mean, duh...of course everyone was higher functioning.
Every study has shown the amount of money thrown at a school has little bearing on outcome ESPECIALLY when compared to home environment and SE status.
That is your private school experience. There are also private schools that parents select b/c they teach a certain religious perspective. These students can the sons/daughters of anyone who can afford the tuition, which generally isn't that high.
Snipping out of context quotes? Not very clever as everyone can go back and look at the actual discussion.
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
Absolutely not true.
Behavioral and emotional disorders fall under the rubric of "Emotional Disturbance," "Emotional Support," "Severely Emotionally Challenged," or other state designations. "Emotional Disturbance" is the descriptive designation for behavioral and emotional disorders in the Federal Law. http://idea.ed.gov/
It is telling that you are significantly under-informed on this topic.
That statement does not say "the vast majority of students with special needs are discipline or criminal problems."
Snipping out of context quotes? Not very clever as everyone can go back and look at the actual discussion.
I will give you the full quote with explanations of what words and symbols mean so you can understand.
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Originally Posted by Randomstudent
Students with disabilities =/= students that are discipline/criminal problems. It is telling that you think they are the same though.
In this the =/= means not equal to. In essence what the poster is saying is that a student with disabilities is not the same as a student with criminal/discipline problems. For example a student could have dyslexia and that would be a disability. Being dyslexia does not necessarily mean you are a criminal.
Then you said.
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
Absolutely not true.
Behavioral and emotional disorders fall under the rubric of "Emotional Disturbance," "Emotional Support," "Severely Emotionally Challenged," or other state designations. "Emotional Disturbance" is the descriptive designation for behavioral and emotional disorders in the Federal Law. http://idea.ed.gov/
It is telling that you are significantly under-informed on this topic.
Absolutely means without any object or perfectly. As such when you say "absolutely not true" you are saying without any object the above is false. Thus if it is perfectly or without any object false that students with disabilities are not the same as students that are criminal/discipline problems. Then it is fairly reasonable to go to students with disabilities are = to or the same as students with discipline problems.
The rest is of your material is suggesting that some students with disabilities have criminal/discipline problems, but if you had meant that rather then saying "absolutely not true" which suggests the above is entirely incorrect and students with disabilities are = criminal/discipline problems. You would have said true, but in some cases, students with disabilities = criminal/discipline problem.
If their behavior impacts their performance in school, it does indeed provide clear evidence that they qualify for such under IDEA.I didn't say they were.
With a lot of criminal/discipline problem students their criminal activities have no impact on their academics.
I will give you the full quote with explanations of what words and symbols mean so you can understand.
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Originally Posted by Randomstudent
Students with disabilities =/= students that are discipline/criminal problems.
In this the =/= means not equal to. In essence what the poster is saying is that a student with disabilities is not the same as a student with criminal/discipline problems. For example a student could have dyslexia and that would be a disability. Being dyslexia does not necessarily mean you are a criminal.
Then you said.
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
Absolutely not true.
Behavioral and emotional disorders fall under the rubric of "Emotional Disturbance," "Emotional Support," "Severely Emotionally Challenged," or other state designations. "Emotional Disturbance" is the descriptive designation for behavioral and emotional disorders in the Federal Law. http://idea.ed.gov/
Absolutely means without any object or perfectly. As such when you say "absolutely not true" you are saying without any object the above is false. Thus if it is perfectly or without any object false that students with disabilities are not the same as students that are criminal/discipline problems. Then it is fairly reasonable to go to students with disabilities are = to or the same as students with discipline problems.
The rest is of your material is suggesting that some students with disabilities have criminal/discipline problems, but if you had meant that rather then saying "absolutely not true" which suggests the above is entirely incorrect and students with disabilities are = criminal/discipline problems. You would have said true, but in some cases, students with disabilities = criminal/discipline problem.
See logic is not that hard.
So, again, Mr. logic ... where in the conversation did I say "the vast majority of students with special needs are discipline or criminal problems"?
Where do you get the idea that students with behavior or emotional disorders constitute the vast majority of students with special needs?
According to some, private schools are better because they are operated by businessmen for a profit. IMHO that is exactly why they may do better for the exceptional student but will reject any kid with problems that might interfere with potential profit. Private schools can high grade students and public schools are stuck with the rest. I think public schools should be able to reject the obnoxious and the interfering students as well as a private school.
Behavioral and emotional disorders fall under the rubric of "Emotional Disturbance," "Emotional Support," "Severely Emotionally Challenged," or other state designations. "Emotional Disturbance" is the descriptive designation for behavioral and emotional disorders in the Federal Law. http://idea.ed.gov/
The only way you could reach your ridiculous conclusion is if you yourself believe that "all" students with special needs are discipline or criminal problems.
Patently false. THIS is what I said:The only way you could reach your ridiculous conclusion is if you yourself believe that "all" students with special needs are discipline or criminal problems.
That is precisely what you said in response to.
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Originally Posted by Randomstudent
Students with disabilities =/= students that are discipline/criminal problems. It is telling that you think they are the same though.
Now read both statements again carefully and think about them. If you respond to the above statement with the characterization "absolutely not true" think carefully of what you are actually saying.
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