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Old 04-23-2013, 08:08 PM
 
Location: texas
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Just to clarify the above specifically:

Illegal entry absolutely is a criminal offense, Title 8 US criminal code. Illegal presence is a civil offense.
Do you mean 8USC 1325 Improper entry? You do know that US Immigration Law is class Administative and not criminal?
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Old 04-23-2013, 11:20 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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More than that, he PUT HIMSELF through the academy instead of having a PD sponsor him. Now that's impressive.
"Santa Cruz police are extremely choosy about hiring. They won't hire an officer who has smoked marijuana or done other drugs within years, but they hired one they knew broke the law."

And someone who smoked a joint when they were 16 could do the same thing... Except, the PD would not hire them. It's a complete double standard. One law is OK to break in the eye's of the PD, but the other isn't and will exclude you for a career in law enforcement.

It also means that if he happens to come across any illegals on patrol, he may turn a blind eye. But thankfully, since he hasn't used recreational drugs in the past, he will bust everyone from the hard core dealer down to that 16 year old kid who is taking the first puff. I would be much more concerned about the flood of illegals, (many of which are directly involved in the drug trade) than that 16 year old looking to catch a first buzz of some ditch weed (probably brought in from across the Mexican boarder).
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Old 04-23-2013, 11:40 PM
 
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Why don't you guys get it: immigrants are NOT loyal to the US. They put their home country (or religion) first.

I'm an immigrant too (not a US citizen, just live in the US) and honestly I don't think I'll ever put the US ahead of my home country.
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Old 04-23-2013, 11:51 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Why don't you guys get it: immigrants are NOT loyal to the US. They put their home country (or religion) first.

I'm an immigrant too (not a US citizen, just live in the US) and honestly I don't think I'll ever put the US ahead of my home country.
I am first and foremost an Oregonian, so what's your point? Nothing wrong with loving your hometown more.
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Old 04-24-2013, 12:00 AM
 
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He has a criminal past.

He was an illegal immigrant.
This is incorrect. Where are you getting this? Being undocumented is a civil offense. It is not a criminal offense.
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Old 04-24-2013, 12:24 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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One illegal entry into the U.S. is a misdemeanor. The second illegal entry becomes a felony.

If the policeman was never deported after he came here, and was never arrested for illegal entry, then applied and became a citizen, he is qualified and has no criminal history on his record. With fully legal status and no criminal record, he was fully eligible to become a policeman.

A person has to be found guilty by a court of law before he is officially considered to be a criminal in the United States. We are a nation whose laws presume innocence until proven otherwise, not guilt until proven innocent.

Millions of misdemeanors are done every day. Most of the perpetrators are never arrested nor tried. All did the crime, but only those who were found guilty are considered criminals in the eyes of the law.

As we all know, the Court Of Public Opinion doesn't count for squat. if it did, Casey Anthony would be in prison right now.
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Old 04-24-2013, 01:14 AM
 
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I am first and foremost an Oregonian, so what's your point? Nothing wrong with loving your hometown more.
Of course nothing wrong.
But immigrants should NOT be cops, politicians or high level military officials.
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Old 04-24-2013, 01:27 AM
 
Location: Earth
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1. Santa Cruz PD won't hire anyone who has smoked marijuana.

2. We voted for somebody to become president of the United States who has used harder drugs than pot.
More than once.
Don't forget Bush.
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Old 04-24-2013, 02:03 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Why don't you guys get it: immigrants are NOT loyal to the US. They put their home country (or religion) first.

I'm an immigrant too (not a US citizen, just live in the US) and honestly I don't think I'll ever put the US ahead of my home country.
And I'm a US citizen who lives outside of the US.
I always put the country where I live ahead of the US.

See, not everyone is the same.

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Of course nothing wrong.
But immigrants should NOT be cops, politicians or high level military officials.
Why not?
It's not your country (as you said) so why should we care about your opinion?
If you're a citizen, you have every right that every other citizen has.
(Unless it's being president).
That's how the US works, unless you're gay; then you have fewer rights than other citizens.
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Old 04-24-2013, 02:04 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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One illegal entry into the U.S. is a misdemeanor. The second illegal entry becomes a felony.

If the policeman was never deported after he came here, and was never arrested for illegal entry, then applied and became a citizen, he is qualified and has no criminal history on his record. With fully legal status and no criminal record, he was fully eligible to become a policeman.

A person has to be found guilty by a court of law before he is officially considered to be a criminal in the United States. We are a nation whose laws presume innocence until proven otherwise, not guilt until proven innocent.

Millions of misdemeanors are done every day. Most of the perpetrators are never arrested nor tried. All did the crime, but only those who were found guilty are considered criminals in the eyes of the law.

As we all know, the Court Of Public Opinion doesn't count for squat. if it did, Casey Anthony would be in prison right now.
But when they administer the lie detector test, the kid that smoked the joint in his youth will fail the drug related question and be automatically qualified. Doesn't matter if he got caught or not. That's fine, the PD can be as particular as they would like. As far I'm concerned though, this guy's offense was just as much deserving of a DQ than the past occasional pot smoker.

You guys are all arguing whether it's a felony, a misdemeanor, blah, blah, blah. It doesn't matter if you got caught or not when you take the lie detector/psychological exam.
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And I'm a US citizen who lives outside of the US.
I always put the country where I live ahead of the US.

See, not everyone is the same.
Maybe America doesn't invoke the patriotic spirit it once did??? I guess an unjustified war and years of reckless/destructive politics can have that effect.
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