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Old 01-18-2013, 07:39 PM
 
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Why are the majority of veteran Hospitals run by civilians that have never served in the military?
I have worked in three VAs and they all were run by clueless civilians. When I talked to some of the people that were there when it was run by a veteran, the staff as well as the patients were very satisfied with their care and working environment. From my understanding there is suppose to be some kind of bill/law that states that the VA should have at least 40% of it's workforce consist of veterans, but it is never enforced. The VAs are still being run by the three isms, sexism, racism and nepotism.
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Old 01-18-2013, 07:48 PM
 
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Why are the majority of veteran Hospitals run by civilians that have never served in the military?
Well, I think that when it comes to running a hospital I think I prefer someone with more than a have been a veteran...maybe something along the lines of being a freaking doctor. But maybe that's just me.

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I have worked in three VAs and they all were run by clueless civilians.
As a veteran, a veteran who worked in both military hospitals and the Va for a brief period of time I've come to the conclusion that civilians don't have a monopoly on cluelessness.

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Old 01-18-2013, 07:59 PM
 
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Why are the majority of veteran Hospitals run by civilians that have never served in the military?
I have worked in three VAs and they all were run by clueless civilians. When I talked to some of the people that were there when it was run by a veteran, the staff as well as the patients were very satisfied with their care and working environment. From my understanding there is suppose to be some kind of bill/law that states that the VA should have at least 40% of it's workforce consist of veterans, but it is never enforced. The VAs are still being run by the three isms, sexism, racism and nepotism.
I agree.

After ten years of having a part time clinic at the VA, I resigned Jan 1st. The VA is a mess. There are MANY well trained, well intentioned physicians, but many decisions are made by imbeciles who do not even have a college degree.

In my opinion, the VA does some very good things. However, it is hampered by unions and an administrative staff who is more concerned with keeping every "i" dotted and "t" crossed than actually providing healthcare.

Oddly, after leaving the VA, they wanted me to do procedures on patients at my private clinic for .70X medicare rates and were shocked when I refused (I was paid medicare rates at the VA previously and am paid 3-4X medicare at our private clinic). What the hell are these people thinking?
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Old 01-18-2013, 08:07 PM
 
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In my opinion, the VA does some very good things. However, it is hampered by unions and an administrative staff who is more concerned with keeping every "i" dotted and "t" crossed than actually providing healthcare.
Wow, sound like the dork of a chief corpsman on my base.
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Old 01-19-2013, 03:02 PM
 
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Well, I think that when it comes to running a hospital I think I prefer someone with more than a have been a veteran...maybe something along the lines of being a freaking doctor. But maybe that's just me.

There are veterans that ran hospitals in the military and some of them are doctors



As a veteran, a veteran who worked in both military hospitals and the Va for a brief period of time I've come to the conclusion that civilians don't have a monopoly on cluelessness.

Walter Reed Scandal: Surgeon General Forced to Retire - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com

That is true
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Old 01-19-2013, 09:27 PM
 
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I agree.

After ten years of having a part time clinic at the VA, I resigned Jan 1st. The VA is a mess. There are MANY well trained, well intentioned physicians, but many decisions are made by imbeciles who do not even have a college degree.

In my opinion, the VA does some very good things. However, it is hampered by unions and an administrative staff who is more concerned with keeping every "i" dotted and "t" crossed than actually providing healthcare.

Oddly, after leaving the VA, they wanted me to do procedures on patients at my private clinic for .70X medicare rates and were shocked when I refused (I was paid medicare rates at the VA previously and am paid 3-4X medicare at our private clinic). What the hell are these people thinking?

After working in three (so far) I realize that they all are controlled by the HR dept which is usually corrupt, the front office which is always clueless when dealing with the people that work under them and even sometimes the Police Dept, where you have some overzealous cops eager to prove themselves.
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Old 01-27-2013, 04:49 PM
 
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Well, I think that when it comes to running a hospital I think I prefer someone with more than a have been a veteran...maybe something along the lines of being a freaking doctor. But maybe that's just me.

No actually you would want someone that is a verteran ADMINISTRATOR and not necessarily a doctor. They (physicians) are excellent in running the clinical side of a hospital because that is were there training lies, but the administrative part the majority of them are clueless, except the ones that serve in the military because they are trained in how to deal with both aspects of runing a hospital.



As a veteran, a veteran who worked in both military hospitals and the Va for a brief period of time I've come to the conclusion that civilians don't have a monopoly on cluelessness.

Walter Reed Scandal: Surgeon General Forced to Retire - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com

Walter Reed was an active duty Army run Hospital which is much different than a VA Hospital. Granted things went wrong in a military hospital and it was exposed rather quickly, but in civilian run VAs coverups are alot more common.
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Old 01-27-2013, 05:14 PM
 
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Well, I think that when it comes to running a hospital I think I prefer someone with more than a have been a veteran...maybe something along the lines of being a freaking doctor. But maybe that's just me.



As a veteran, a veteran who worked in both military hospitals and the Va for a brief period of time I've come to the conclusion that civilians don't have a monopoly on cluelessness.

Walter Reed Scandal: Surgeon General Forced to Retire - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com

There are a number of Doctors who are also veterans.
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Old 01-27-2013, 07:28 PM
 
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I often wondered that myself. With the exception of doctors and other specialists veterans should be running the VA all the way from the ground keepers to office workers to food service and everything else.
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:08 PM
 
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Why are the majority of veteran Hospitals run by civilians that have never served in the military?
I have worked in three VAs and they all were run by clueless civilians. When I talked to some of the people that were there when it was run by a veteran, the staff as well as the patients were very satisfied with their care and working environment. From my understanding there is suppose to be some kind of bill/law that states that the VA should have at least 40% of it's workforce consist of veterans, but it is never enforced. The VAs are still being run by the three isms, sexism, racism and nepotism.
Why isn't the Commander in Chief a veteran? That would make more sense.

If a vet does not have the appropriate experience in running a hospital, it would make no sense. It is like asking why a demented geriatric does not run an Alzheimer's facility. Being a demographic of those treated does not necessarily provide insight into how an institution should be run.
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