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Turkey is not Iran. There are differing degrees of oppression in the Middle East. Not quite free and open in Turkey, I would say regarding your own earlier comments.
I was really talking about my specific community, but I don't want to give the impression that Turkey is not a free and open society to live in, if you are abiding by the laws.
I have to be honest, I lived a number of years in London, I am not really familiar with all of the dynamics with America (because I am originally from Turkey).
What I have seen are poor blacks mostly in the US, although there are wealthy ones too, but it doesn't seem to be the majority. I did not know that blacks were gay because I mostly see very macho black guys, but I have seen a few wearing dresses, now I know there are some black gays. I wondered why they were not protesting and I guessed it was due to their employment status.
This is an honest question, will poor gays be able to afford the adoption that you speak of? Also, not many will qualify for any inheritance if they do not have money or stocks, right? I do not know what you are referring to with hospital visitation? I thought that is determined by the health proxy?
I think you have the wrong (or perhaps just stereotypical) idea of what a gay person looks like. Most gay men, regardless of race, don't walk around wearing dresses. Also, there are all kinds of black people in the US. I'm not sure where you get the idea that you keep repeating that most black gay people don't have jobs, and that's why they don't care about marriage equality. Yes there are poor black people here, as well as poor people of other races. But there are also middle class, upper middle class, and wealthy black people. Again, just like other races. No, the majority of black people in the US aren't wealthy, but that is true for all other races in the US as well. The very poor and the very wealthy are the extreme ends of the spectrum. Most Americans, regardless of race, fall somewhere in between.
I am not reading other posts before I make my post. My thought is that because particularly in the African-American community they are forced to be a man and most gay African-Americans go on the "down-low" kind of like what most homosexuals did up through the 70's. I don't think it is as much of an economic thing as you would think.
I am not reading other posts before I make my post. My thought is that because particularly in the African-American community they are forced to be a man and most gay African-Americans go on the "down-low" kind of like what most homosexuals did up through the 70's. I don't think it is as much of an economic thing as you would think.
As you pointed out it's not "economic" but "cultural". There are tons of Gay African Americans ( a lot of them bi-sexual) but never fully come out because of their family and religion.
They still consider being "Gay" a Sin.
The televised/popular image of LGBT rights and marriage equality is the gay, middle class, coastal white man. Up until recently, the televised/popular imagine of the LGBT community were the most flamboyant and over-the-top marchers in a city's gay pride parade. Neither is representative of the entire ***** community.
The LGBT community is comprised of people from all races, classes, and education levels, from a kid born in the ghetto to an ivy league/trust fund boy showing off his partner at the charity gala.
I rarely see any non whites fighting on the front lines for gay issues? I know America has many gays of all colors. Maybe it's because gay black males are least likely to have jobs with benefits, than white gays? The same is probably true for Hispanics. Is it not mostly gay white men and gay white women who have better employment than gay non whites so logically they will be fighting to get their partner's benefits, but this is not a concern for gay blacks or Hispanics because their partners do not usually have any jobs with benefits.
Is this the reason, or am I wrong in assuming this?
I am trying to understand? Can anyone explain??
Well,gays only make up about 2% or so of the population. So minorities will obviously be an even smaller % of that.
I rarely see any non whites fighting on the front lines for gay issues? I know America has many gays of all colors. Maybe it's because gay black males are least likely to have jobs with benefits, than white gays? The same is probably true for Hispanics. Is it not mostly gay white men and gay white women who have better employment than gay non whites so logically they will be fighting to get their partner's benefits, but this is not a concern for gay blacks or Hispanics because their partners do not usually have any jobs with benefits.
Is this the reason, or am I wrong in assuming this?
I am trying to understand? Can anyone explain??
Maybe you should as Pam Spaulding and her wife? Pam is one of the most well known lesbian bloggers/activists for marriage equality. She's African American.
I have to be honest, I lived a number of years in London, I am not really familiar with all of the dynamics with America (because I am originally from Turkey).
What I have seen are poor blacks mostly in the US, although there are wealthy ones too, but it doesn't seem to be the majority. I did not know that blacks were gay because I mostly see very macho black guys, but I have seen a few wearing dresses, now I know there are some black gays. I wondered why they were not protesting and I guessed it was due to their employment status.
This is an honest question, will poor gays be able to afford the adoption that you speak of? Also, not many will qualify for any inheritance if they do not have money or stocks, right? I do not know what you are referring to with hospital visitation? I thought that is determined by the health proxy?
Stereotypes are hard to break, but I thought the " gay males love to wear dresses" was known to be false. The VAST majority of cross-dressers are straight. Some estimate as much as 94 percent. Then you have transgendered people which is a whole other category.
The reason people think it's mainly a gay male thing are getting their views from stereotypes presented by media, and by what they see in their own lives. Straight males who cross-dress do it in the privacy of their own homes or private clubs, sometimes they will go to a gay bar since they know they won't be harassed, but most don't, however transgendered people seem more comfortable in a gay bar rather than a straight one. Anyone who does see these men just assume they are gay when in fact they are most likely straight or transgendered.
The men who cross-dress in gay society are usually Drag Queens, in other words they do it as performers in clubs. These guys usually exaggerate a women's looks with big wigs and flashy outfits ( remember they are entertainers ). These guys do not dress like this everyday. However as with everything in life there are varying degrees and reasons why men of all sexualities cross-dress.
Most gay men are invisible. People tag on a sexuality from their own observations. That's why when a sport figure comes out ( and it's happening more and more ) people are surprised, but the gay community isn't since we know and have known that gay men and woman don't fit societies ideas of who we are.
They are many other sites that talk about this, just Google them.
Here is a " drag queen " performing, although this guys talent separates him from the mainstream and is referred to as a " female impersonator" since he uses his OWN voice. He does not dress as a woman, except to perform. I know this because I know people who know him. I actually believe you will enjoy this performance.
I rarely see any non whites fighting on the front lines for gay issues? I know America has many gays of all colors. Maybe it's because gay black males are least likely to have jobs with benefits, than white gays? The same is probably true for Hispanics. Is it not mostly gay white men and gay white women who have better employment than gay non whites so logically they will be fighting to get their partner's benefits, but this is not a concern for gay blacks or Hispanics because their partners do not usually have any jobs with benefits.
Is this the reason, or am I wrong in assuming this?
I am trying to understand? Can anyone explain??
IMHO it's actually White heterosexual females driving this they seem to be behind much of the stupid liberal ideas these days.
During the FB equality sign day almost all my FB friends who changed their profile pic were white women.
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