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No the government doesn't subsidize these companies when providing the working poor benefits. Where is it written ANYWHERE in the Constitution that it is a right that employers need to provide benefits to employees? Does the government subsidize these companies when providing benefits to people who dont work? What kind of logic is that? Ask how that logic is working out for Greece, Italy, France and the numerous other countries with these idiotic policies?
Good for the employees wanting better wages. How bout you edumacate yourself take some initiative and get a better job. Here in California some farm labor contractors are paying anyone who wants to work the fields $15 dollars and hour. DRIVEN specifically by market forces not some stupid government driven policy.
Driven by Market forces is not necessarily good always. SLAVERY was driven by market forces also. Was it good????
Then fast food prices will rise and the dummycrats will be complaining about the high prices they charge.
Free market will decide the fast food prices and for a change-free market will decide the salary package of CEOs and top cats sitting in Investment Board of that corporate giant.
How did they fall on hard times ?
These are min wage workers who can't seem to do any better than min wage.
Getting fired would be falling on hard times but they are working.
Our "hard times" started in 2008 and have lingered and grown into a coming decade of hard times, that's how they "fall on hard times." We've had millions of people lose their jobs, that's who some of these burger flippers are, they are desperate for a job that pays at least $15/hr.
Our "hard times" started in 2008 and have lingered and grown into a coming decade of hard times, that's how they "fall on hard times." We've had millions of people lose their jobs, that's who some of these burger flippers are, they are desperate for a job that pays at least $15/hr.
I'm not unsympathetic to the desires of people who are paid at the lower-end of the pay scale wanting more money. We all want more money. Most of the fast food restaurant (the chain-types) workers I see are young and Hispanic ... and I suspect they're not persons who lost their jobs due to cutbacks in office jobs, factories, etc. Though, I don't doubt some of the folks in those categories are slinging hash someplace. The restaurant industry isn't deserving of much sympathy. The owners, I'm referring to. The big companies earn excellent profit while paying lower wages. Restaurants, sit-down types, expect patrons to pay the wages of waitstaff via the tips. If there's a "strike" of fast food workers in Chicago it's a figment of someone's halucinations ... except for the union-organized demonstration(s) which are almost non-existent and not truly representative of the larger body of fast food workers.
I'm not unsympathetic to the desires of people who are paid at the lower-end of the pay scale wanting more money. We all want more money. Most of the fast food restaurant (the chain-types) workers I see are young and Hispanic ... and I suspect they're not persons who lost their jobs due to cutbacks in office jobs, factories, etc. Though, I don't doubt some of the folks in those categories are slinging hash someplace. The restaurant industry isn't deserving of much sympathy. The owners, I'm referring to. The big companies earn excellent profit while paying lower wages. Restaurants, sit-down types, expect patrons to pay the wages of waitstaff via the tips. If there's a "strike" of fast food workers in Chicago it's a figment of someone's halucinations ... except for the union-organized demonstration(s) which are almost non-existent and not truly representative of the larger body of fast food workers.
The unfortunate reality here is it's not just "wanting more money" we live in a greedy country. Plain & simple. Prices on everything are on the rise. That's been the pattern for decades. The problem is that the cost of living is not keeping up with inflation, thus creating or at least lending a helping hand in creating a multitude of problems that some people are either too dumb or too selfish to consider.
350 million people in this country folks. That number will not decrease anytime soon. We can't keep living like we did before. The "old rules" don't work in government, nor do they work in business, not if we want America to even resemble a strong nation anymore.
What is going to happen when Big Macs cost 8 bucks and nobody eats at McDonald's anymore? Are the new fast food unions going to petition the government to force people to eat at McDonald's?
Big Macs aren't going up to 8 bucks. Stop it.
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Just a question....what do you tip the pizza delivery guy?
Do you ask him what his "need' is, or does that job have a socially determined wage attached?
Who determines the value of your work?
What about the person who cuts your hair? Do you pay more based on their need?
I don't tip the pizza guy. I go out to eat pizza.
Dude, all i said is that "there is nothing wrong with asking for more money in America even if your demand (or request) is outrageous and unrealistic!"
In this country, you have the right to be delusional. If a burger joint can simply say 'no' and fire these people and rehire new ones, then what are you all b*tching about? There's no skin off of your back. Like i said, eat your hamburger and shut the eff up. What they demand from their bosses is no more your business than what you demand from your boss being their business. If their demands are unrealistic and stupid, that's between them and their bosses. But don't say that they can't at least ASK!
You don't get anything in this country without taking action. That's what they're doing, and they have a right to do it.
All this crap you're coming at me with about the value of an employee, market price for labor, yadda, yadda, yadda is neither here nor there. The important thing is that they can ask, and their employer can tell them to get bent, fire them, and hire new people.
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But at $15/hour for no skill they would be making more than a 4 year college degreed first year teacher in some states.
Do you see the irony in that at all ?
There are lots of jobs where people have far less education than a teacher, less jobs skills than a teacher, but make more than a starting teacher. $15 an hour is more than my son starts off making as a teacher and he has a Masters Degree. The difference is the ceiling is a lot higher for my son than it is for the blue collar guy making $15 bucks. In 10 years, the teacher will be making far more.
Again, i'm not saying that fast food workers should all make $15 an hour, but they have a right to ask and be denied.
Still though, i think many of you are underestimating the value of a fast food worker. Employee turnover is typically high, and that's expensive too. And being that so many people in that business are young and transient, it's hard to find solid, reliable people to work constantly changing hours. Those people DO HAVE value if they're solid, stable, and hard working. What they deserve to make is something i can't answer, and neither can anyone else around here.
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$8.25/hour is indeed the minimum wage in Illinois., but unless you desire a career in restaurant management, this is NOT a rest-of-your-life job.
Why can't liberals see this?
I'm not so sure. There is value in fast food work if you keep your nose to the grindstone. And why not? It's very reliable with the American penchant for eating out and the profits are good. Why can't it be long term for many people?
I actually think that Americans need to change their views about careers in fast food work. Sure, it's tough at the bottom, but you can work your way up into a nice wage and secure career if you so choose.
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In general I agree with you. It's their right to strike and ask for more. In practice, they hurt themselves by setting such a high benchmark.
We're allowed to hurt ourselves as Americans. But there is nothing wrong with asking for more money, and there's nothing wrong with being turned down for it if your boss deems your demands to be unreasonable. But you won't get squat if you keep your mouth shut.
I think that depends as to profits of where they come from. its quite different when you look at profitsi this world ecomy.often mnay of those fast food workers work for franchised owner quite different than corporate profits.Alos mcuh of the corporate profits come from non-US profits which is more likely to effect those workers in those countries as salaries increase in those markets.They alos need to be ware of what a shift to more automatio cost increases i wages can v bring and more partime workers.
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