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Old 07-31-2014, 06:06 PM
 
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How silly of you. Oh and your types and Obama didn't link an entire group of people to the actions of a few? Nah never. Wake the F up. So it's ok for you and obama to do it but you get offended when done back to you?
Feel free to call me out on it if you see me do it. If I do I will examine my statement and either agree and apologize, or I will tell you that you are wrong. Instead your response is "yeah im defining my belief system of a group of people based on some small portion of them, its the wrong thing to do....but thats OK because you and Obama do it too!

Think about that.
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Old 07-31-2014, 06:07 PM
 
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Government hand-outs to people who can work but refuse to work is immoral. The government forcibly takes the money (also known as stealing) from the taxpayers, which is the first moral offense. Then the government in its wisdom supports those who are irresponsible and selfish.

Government hand-outs to business is immoral. The government forcibly takes the money (also known as stealing) from the taxpayers, which is the first moral offense. Then the government in its wisdom picks winners and losers in the marketplace.

Now stop trying to justify welfare of any kind. There is immorality on both sides and the people working hard and paying taxes are getting screwed.
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Old 07-31-2014, 06:08 PM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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Two wrongs don't make welfare for either right. Have some pride man.
Oh i agree but we are not even at the stage of acknowledging that both are wrong, so i will keep educating balance and so intell we do. Baby steps man baby steps. You can do it.
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Old 07-31-2014, 06:10 PM
 
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Government hand-outs to people who can work but refuse to work is immoral. The government forcibly takes the money (also known as stealing) from the taxpayers, which is the first moral offense. Then the government in its wisdom supports those who are irresponsible and selfish.

Government hand-outs to business is immoral. The government forcibly takes the money (also known as stealing) from the taxpayers, which is the first moral offense. Then the government in its wisdom picks winners and losers in the marketplace.

Now stop trying to justify welfare of any kind. There is immorality on both sides and the people working hard and paying taxes are getting screwed.
Good start, now don't you feel the hate leaving you? Feel better now?

Theres nothing wrong with paying taxes and contributing to society, the problem is some are not paying or paying there share. You petch pay prob +30%, The guys making billions are not even paying 15%.
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Old 07-31-2014, 06:10 PM
 
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Oh i agree but we are not even at the stage of acknowledging that both are wrong, so i will keep educating balance and so intell we do. Baby steps man baby steps. You can do it.
lol, I have yet to see you admit that welfare for the lazy is wrong. Baby steps man, baby steps.. you can do it

The welfare state has been sold to the public as a moral political system. In reality, it is a gigantic fraud, not only built upon unsustainable economics or the Santa Claus principle but on immoral grounds of thievery.

"Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote."
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Old 07-31-2014, 06:17 PM
 
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The welfare state is fraud and an unethical monstrosity. Theft is theft, with or without majority votes.
Might I suggest going to a country without any taxation and letting us know how that works out for you.

You're literally incapable of being argued with because you refuse to acknowledge any non bumper sticker reality.
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Old 07-31-2014, 06:18 PM
 
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Good start, now don't you feel the hate leaving you? Feel better now?

Theres nothing wrong with paying taxes and contributing to society, the problem is some are not paying or paying there share. You petch pay prob +30%, The guys making billions are not even paying 15%.
Too bad not everyone pays taxes and too many are sucking off the system.
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Old 07-31-2014, 06:19 PM
 
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Might I suggest going to a country without any taxation and letting us know how that works out for you.

You're literally incapable of being argued with because you refuse to acknowledge any non bumper sticker reality.

The welfare state is fraud and an unethical monstrosity. Theft is theft, with or without majority votes.

Welfare was never about ethics. It was always about power.
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Old 07-31-2014, 06:19 PM
 
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lol, I have yet to see you admit that welfare for the lazy is wrong. Baby steps man, baby steps.. you can do it

The welfare state has been sold to the public as a moral political system. In reality, it is a gigantic fraud, not only built upon unsustainable economics or the Santa Claus principle but on immoral grounds of thievery.

"Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote."
Like ive said before reality is a perception. I agree there are people that abuse the system and its wrong, but i don't need to say so, we have 100s of threads that say that. What we don't have is even a few threads that say the rich robbing from the middle class or poor is wrong or we are supplementing profit. Gross inbalance! Because to be honest with you, if your given every oppertunity to succeed (money, great college and are a stockholder or owner, ceo of a corporation) and your getting getting government handouts. Your lower then the bum asking for spare change.
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Old 07-31-2014, 06:23 PM
 
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Besides wrecking the economy, public welfare is just wrong. It is morally wrong for the government to take money from people and redistribute it to those who they say are in need (i.e. more likely to vote for them).

In a welfare state, the government plays the role of the guy who beats the money out of you and gives it to the beggar. And that’s about all he does for the beggar.
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