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Old 04-26-2013, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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LOL! i just did! i even gave data to back it up. Texas is KILLING Both California and Mass.

Policy matters and Texas conservative policy is winning.
But people regard Oklahoma as a much, much sorrier state than Texas in which to live in. Yet, in Oklahoma the unemployment and poverty rates are lower.
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Old 04-26-2013, 05:06 PM
 
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Because while the state is conservative, it isn't far enough to the right for conservatives policies to work. How far much further to the right does Mississippi need to get? I don't know.
Actually Mississippi is only morally conservative. In terms of economy they get this ranking

Mississippi
Fiscal: #30
Regulatory: #45
Overall: #41

Texas
Fiscal #10
Regulatory: #24
Overall: #14

California
Fiscal: #44
Regulatory #50
Overall: #49

http://freedominthe50states.org/how-its-calculated

So the reason Mississippi does badly is because it is a lot closer to California than to Texas.
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Old 04-26-2013, 05:13 PM
 
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But people regard Oklahoma as a much, much sorrier state than Texas in which to live in. Yet, in Oklahoma the unemployment and poverty rates are lower.
Oklahoma City has lower wages than cities in Texas, also it is kind of small and kind of boring.

But its not that bad of a place.
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Old 04-26-2013, 05:13 PM
 
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Nighttrain, did you read the article? Talking about of those 10 red states, which ones have Dem Governors, a Dem majority in the legislature and implemented Dem policies? Let's be honest here. No state is perfect, so to post this data or that data or the successes or failures of a state is foolish. You're not getting an answer to your question because no state is completely controlled by one party or another for extended periods of time, and all states have areas where they are weak and where they are strong.

In fact, here's a quote from the article:

"The Democratic case is illusory and circumstantial; the Republican case is solid and substantial. However, in a country where so many people are economically and historically illiterate, combined with the human proclivity whereby “a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest†(Paul Simon, “The Boxerâ€), the Democrats may be able to score some points with a hollow argument. The Republicans, though, have the facts on their side."

Here's another quote:

"Let’s examine the 10 poorest states to see if Republicans are to blame for their relative economic standing.

The poorest states, based on per capita income, are, from first to last: Mississippi, Arkansas, Tennessee, West Virginia, Louisiana, Montana, South Carolina, Kentucky, Alabama, and North Carolina. Of these, exactly half—Arkansas, Kentucky, Montana, North Carolina, and West Virginia—have Democratic governors and three have Democratic majorities in the lower house of their legislature, so these state governments can hardly be classified as completely Republican. On the other hand, only North Carolina voted for Obama in 2008, so in that sense, these states may be leaning Republican."

Finally, as usual, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Here's one last quote:

"If Republican policies have led to the economic stagnation of entire states, whereas Democrats are only responsible for ruining cities, then the Dems might have the stronger campaign talking point."

The part in bold is really what it's all about, isn 't it.
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"only North Carolina voted for Obama in 2008, so in that sense, these states may be leaning Republican."

The Census date is old. In 2010 for the FIRST time over 100 years the repubs took control of BOTH houses in NC. The trashing was so bad the gov. refused to run for re-elction in 2010. we NOW have a repub for gov. AND the state legislature. NC's low ranking can be placed right at the feet of the DEMS.


It will take many years to recover from the dem liberal policies.
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Old 04-26-2013, 05:19 PM
 
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"only North Carolina voted for Obama in 2008, so in that sense, these states may be leaning Republican."

The Census date is old. In 2010 for the FIRST time over 100 years the repubs took control of BOTH houses in NC. The trashing was so bad the gov. refused to run for re-elction in 2010. we NOW have a repub for gov. AND the state legislature. NC's low ranking can be placed right at the feet of the DEMS.

It will take many years to recover from the dem liberal policies.
More importantly. Those numbers are not adjusted for cost of living.

In many democratic states you got unions who are pushing up the wages of people thinking that will make them richer. But what really matters is what you can buy with your wages.

Whenever we compare countries, we always compare PPP numbers, which are adjusted for cost of living. That is why America is richer than most countries. If you didn't then Japan would have the same income as the US, till recently when their currency declined.
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Old 04-26-2013, 05:24 PM
 
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Washington, D.C. is booming. What's more republican than spending billions on the MIC?
You post makes no sense. What a surprise. Wash, D.C is 90% democrat.

If you are trying throw an insult at the repubs in Wash let me remind you that they ONLY have the HOUSE. The DEMS control the SENATE and a DEM is PRESIDENT. But, we know you ONLY want to try to blame the repubs.

Post, fail.
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Old 04-26-2013, 05:26 PM
 
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I say see who's voting with their feet.
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Old 04-26-2013, 05:27 PM
 
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Oh I know. Didnt have time to get into all that, though, and the OP wanted to make this about "states".

There are both prosperous and downtrodden urban and rural areas in "red" and "blue" locations so anyone claiming their reasons are anything more than opinions would be wrong. There really isnt a definitive answer IMO and no one factor that anyone can point to for why a red or blue area is doing good/bad.
"the OP wanted to make this about "states". I know, that is why I want data from cities. And I agree with you.
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Old 04-26-2013, 05:34 PM
 
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I say see who's voting with their feet.
American Migration [Interactive Map] - Forbes


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Old 04-26-2013, 05:35 PM
 
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I say see who's voting with their feet.
The OP doesn't want to see this because it proves that more and more people are moving from his beloved blue states to red.

States Gaining and Losing Representation

As a result of the Census 2010 apportionment process, eight states will gain at least one new U.S. Representative beginning in the 113th Congress, while ten states will lose at least on seat in the House. (See: 2010 Apportionment Map or Table)

States Gaining 4 Seats
  • Texas - Now 36 Seats
States Gaining 2 Seats
  • Florida - Now 27 Seats
States Gaining 1 Seat
  • Arizona - Now 9 Seats
  • Georgia - Now 14 Seats
  • Nevada - Now 4 Seats
  • South Carolina - Now 7 Seats
  • Utah - Now 4 Seats
  • Washington - Now 10 Seats
States Losing 1 Seat
  • Illinois - Now 18 Seats
  • Iowa - Now 4 Seats
  • Louisiana - Now 6 Seats
  • Massachusetts - Now 9 Seats
  • Michigan - Now 14 Seats
  • Missouri - Now 8 Seats
  • New Jersey - Now 12 Seats
  • Pennsylvania - Now 18 Seats
States Losing 2 Seats
  • New York - Now 27 Seats
  • Ohio - Now 16 Seats
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