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It's hard to "promote" homosexuality. I mean you can't TURN people gay. It's like trying to promote people to be left handed or taller. You are who you are.
And that's why it's hard to discuss this issue directly! Whether this specific lesson was ill-planned or not, and I believe it was, there is no way to "turn somebody gay." Period.
Why is the tone of this sentence seem so off-putting? Is it archaic description like "lover", the phrasing, or the simplified notions of hand holding and eye-gazing that makes it kind of creepy?
Perhaps it's the messenger who made it creepier?
Of course, I also find the word "lover" to be super creepy in an old-fashioned kind of way... if my boyfriend introduced me as his "lover," I would be SO embarrassed! And not because it implies sex, just because it sounds so weird and TMI-ish.
What you do to amuse yourself is none of my business, but if it doesn't pertain to heterosexual copulation, it's outside of nature's design.
If it occurs in nature (homosexuality occurs in both humans and animals), then it is by definition NATURAL.
So what is unnatural? The hair dye I use every six weeks to cover the gray isn't natural, but I don't see anyone trying to strip my rights for doing that. Not to mention, you being able to communicate with us immediately through technology isn't natural either! Unnatural freaks like you & I shouldn't be allowed to marry or live freely, I guess.
Something like 60-70% of liberals ARE religious - so how is that not part of the "liberal ideology" too?
(I'm fairly liberal, and follow my religion better than half the so-called Christian conservatives I encounter)
then please explain this quote
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Originally Posted by gizmo980
I know, right? If I weren't already an Agnostic Jew, the fundamental religious right (note: I'm only speaking of the fundies) would send me running to the non-religious side!
And yes, even an "Agnostic Jew" like myself is STILL following my religious teachings better than most Christians I encounter... one doesn't have to believe in all the supernatural aspects to observe the cultural and traditional practices. Not to mention, I completed 10+ years of religious school, Bat-Mitzvah training, Hebrew school, visited Israel, etc. How many people who call themselves Christian can say that? So I stand behind what I said!
And yes, even an "Agnostic Jew" like myself is STILL following my religious teachings better than most Christians I encounter... one doesn't have to believe in all the supernatural aspects to observe the cultural and traditional practices. Not to mention, I completed 10+ years of religious school, Bat-Mitzvah training, Hebrew school, visited Israel, etc. How many people who call themselves Christian can say that? So I stand behind what I said!
not one of those things are required to follow Judaism (and possibly even desirable).
However Judaism requires not working (includes writing) on shabbos, keeping kosher, and believing in god.
a Christian who believes in God, is following Jewish law much better, then a agnostic Jew who 10+ years of religious school, Bat-Mitzvah training, Hebrew school, visited Israel, etc.
Of course, I also find the word "lover" to be super creepy in an old-fashioned kind of way... if my boyfriend introduced me as his "lover," I would be SO embarrassed! And not because it implies sex, just because it sounds so weird and TMI-ish.
We're French up here. We take lovers.
Boyfriends are for teenagers.
not one of those things are required to follow Judaism (and possibly even desirable).
However Judaism requires not working (includes writing) on shabbos, keeping kosher, and believing in god.
a Christian who believes in God, is following Jewish law much better, then a agnostic Jew who 10+ years of religious school, Bat-Mitzvah training, Hebrew school, visited Israel, etc.
I really couldn't care less what you think, or even what the Torah states... but particularly not your opinion, given how you destroy what I see as the core beliefs of Judaism, through your hate and abhorrent personal views. I am what I am, and FYI "Agnostic" doesn't mean I'm a non-believer (it's more like being vague or non-committal). Now back to leaving you on ignore!
P.S. A good percentage of Christians don't believe in G-d either, so I still maintain I practice my religion more than most of them. You know how many Americans call themselves Christians, when literally ALL they do is celebrate Christmas and maybe Easter? They don't believe in anything else, and in some cases, go completely against Jesus' teachings. I don't care, since they have the right to identify as whatever they choose (as I have the right to call myself a Jew), just bringing it back to my original statement - which was really less about me, and more about them.
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