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Old 04-29-2013, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The US economy is run? Seems to me more like random chaos than anything else.
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Old 04-29-2013, 12:37 PM
 
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It is completely within a presidents power to veto any new tax. If he veto's it and then it gets passed anyway, only then would this hold true and that is something that doesn't happen but very rarely.
Which is to say, responsibility is shared between Congress and president. Is there an echo in here?


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Perhaps. Or perhaps you simply refuse to take it.
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Old 04-29-2013, 12:40 PM
 
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Imagine the people who listened to him. He promised but did not keep that promise and should be held accountable.
Let me guess: you came home in tears from your junior prom. I'm sorry the first time went badly for you.
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Old 04-29-2013, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Nobody "controls" the economy. But a vigilant administration can out the fraudulent businesses that can bring down an economy. It is not magic, but it is a worthwhile job to do. One that Bush did NOT do because Greenspan and Friedman (Milton) told him not to.
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Old 04-29-2013, 12:44 PM
 
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Which is to say, responsibility is shared between Congress and president. Is there an echo in here?
"The buck stops here" It's the presidents job to set the agenda and lay out the policies he wants the country to operate under. If the Senate bucks him, then he can use the veto. Veto's are very difficult to over ride.

If he fails in that one of two things happened. He picked the wrong policies or he is extremely weak as a leader.
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Old 04-29-2013, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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"The responsibility". The Executive has to be the watchdog, and Congress has to get out of the way. That's been a problem for too long. Congress keeps starving the watchdog and taking away authority.
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Old 04-29-2013, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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"The buck stops here" It's the presidents job to set the agenda and lay out the policies he wants the country to operate under. If the Senate bucks him, then he can use the veto. Veto's are very difficult to over ride.

If he fails in that one of two things happened. He picked the wrong policies or he is extremely weak as a leader.
That doesn't make any sense. If the presidents sets an agenda and lay out the policies that the Congress refuses to pass, there is nothing to veto and he still doesn't get his agenda nor policies.
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Old 04-29-2013, 12:49 PM
 
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"The buck stops here" It's the presidents job to set the agenda and lay out the policies he wants the country to operate under. If the Senate bucks him, then he can use the veto. Veto's are very difficult to over ride.

If he fails in that one of two things happened. He picked the wrong policies or he is extremely weak as a leader.
So, a president is "at fault" for the state of the economy because he has a negative power. That is not a logical proposition, you know.

And by the way, "the buck stops here" was a slogan of Mr. Truman's - it's not in the constitution, and neither is the phrase "whiter and brighter".
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Old 04-29-2013, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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The US economy is run? Seems to me more like random chaos than anything else.
Why mess with chaos as if you have control over it? You don't, and it might be better to let chaos run it's course and let good things happen?
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Old 04-29-2013, 12:56 PM
 
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That doesn't make any sense. If the presidents sets an agenda and lay out the policies that the Congress refuses to pass, there is nothing to veto and he still doesn't get his agenda nor policies.
Which is a sign of a poor leader. Reagan was able to get his way despite having neither the House or Senate controlled by his party.

I didn't want to make this partisan but Obama had 60 votes in the Senate and his party controlled the House. Despite this it took a year to pass Obamacare and we ended up with a mess.

Bush showed where a president can lead the country where he wanted it to go. That was an example of picking failed policies. Obama can not get anyone to follow anything including his own party. That is an example of a failed leader.
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