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Old 04-30-2013, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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So now facts are considered dishonest? So when the facts aren't on the side of neoprogressives, like everything else they have nothing to go on but fabricated theories

I must have missed the part where being stressed was a cause of HIV. Unless it's inherited genetically, you contract HIV from actually partaking in sexually deviant behavior showing disregard for yourself and your body
You do realize that HIV isn't a disease that cares about your sexual preference, right?
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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And your monogamous homosexual relationships don't fit the bill for that biological parent role nor do they compare to the exponentially lower risk of the ridiculed abstinence and traditional marriage
You do realize love makes a family not genetic material, legal contracts, or sex of any kind?
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:13 PM
 
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You do realize that HIV isn't a disease that cares about your sexual preference, right?
You do realize that homosexuality wasn't the only form of behavior that I was referring to right?

Again the culture pushes unhealthy views of heterosexuality as well. The societal effects of these have been at work and have done even more damage

The illegitimacy rate in this country is devastating as this culture pushes casual sex, pornography, and every other form of sex outside of marriage.

Again the only approach to sex that is considered unacceptable in our society is abstinence and sex within marriage

And again unless one partner has it genetically, that ridiculed approach isn't leading to any deadly sexually communicable disease
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:17 PM
 
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You do realize love makes a family not genetic material, legal contracts, or sex of any kind?
Children who have their two biological parents are normally not in dysfunctional families, and thus by definition love is an element in the conversation. And those parents don't have to be perfect, just being in that child's life makes a difference.

There are many black fathers who aren't perfect, but the mere fact that they are in their child's live instilling discipline and values, giving them a clear sense of what masculinity should be about makes a world of difference. The same of every community.

Your diversion doesn't take away from the fact that this culture is trying to destroy that entire image of family. All in the name of rebellion against those values regardless of the consequences
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:18 PM
 
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The bigots fire off in so many different directions its impossible to have an intelligent discussion with them. I give up. :shrug:
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:25 PM
 
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The bigots fire off in so many different directions its impossible to have an intelligent discussion with them. I give up. :shrug:
Is that a self-assessment?

The true bullies and bigots are those who are intolerant of traditional values despite all the overwhelming evidence in the form of data across the spectrum that confirms it.

Children (including Teenagers) are better off physically, psychologically, and economically, when they are not sexually active

Children (including Teenagers) are better off in homes with their two biological married parents

Adults are better off physically, psychologically, economically when they don't partake in sex outside of marriage


It would be one thing if the true bullies and bigots who call themselves "tolerant" just said they disagreed with those traditional values despite all the data that shows that people are better off with them

But they go out of their way to mock and attack anyone who upholds them. And just by using the word "tolerance" they think it erases their own "intolerance"

When their actual intolerance leads to ignoring factors that are tangibly leading to physical, financial, and psychological decay
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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You do realize that homosexuality wasn't the only form of behavior that I was referring to right?

Again the culture pushes unhealthy views of heterosexuality as well. The societal effects of these have been at work and have done even more damage

The illegitimacy rate in this country is devastating as this culture pushes casual sex, pornography, and every other form of sex outside of marriage.

Again the only approach to sex that is considered unacceptable in our society is abstinence and sex within marriage

And again unless one partner has it genetically, that ridiculed approach isn't leading to any deadly sexually communicable disease
I wasn't sure, you weren't making a lot of sense. But with that said, I think I prefer safe sex over no sex seeing I am a 35 year old man, I would of hated spending that many years without ever enjoying sex, which would probably of made porn my only outlet for release. Though the nice thing about sex outside of marriage is that I have been able to learn what I like and don't like, and I know exactly what I am looking for in a partner which is good because I have found that in my future wife.
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Children who have their two biological parents are normally not in dysfunctional families, and thus by definition love is an element in the conversation. And those parents don't have to be perfect, just being in that child's life makes a difference.

There are many black fathers who aren't perfect, but the mere fact that they are in their child's live instilling discipline and values, giving them a clear sense of what masculinity should be about makes a world of difference. The same of every community.

Your diversion doesn't take away from the fact that this culture is trying to destroy that entire image of family. All in the name of rebellion against those values regardless of the consequences
If you could see into everyone's family life, you would be surprised how many of those "normal families" are really dysfunctional families.
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:30 PM
 
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I wasn't sure, you weren't making a lot of sense. But with that said, I think I prefer safe sex over no sex seeing I am a 35 year old man, I would of hated spending that many years without ever enjoying sex, which would probably of made porn my only outlet for release. Though the nice thing about sex outside of marriage is that I have been able to learn what I like and don't like, and I know exactly what I am looking for in a partner which is good because I have found that in my future wife.
And that may work out for you individually, just like there are people who smoke and live longer than non-smokers. But on average it's not a healthy behavior

Just like on average, when you have people in the "test drive" mode in terms of how they find suitable partners, it doesn't work out for at least one of the person being test-driven. Usually the female

And again this is clearly indicative in the black community especially with the devastating rate of illegitimacy. And the white community continues to rise, again at rates even worse than when the rates of blacks was drawn attention to 50 years ago.

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If you could see into everyone's family life, you would be surprised how many of those "normal families" are really dysfunctional families.
There is domestic violence and child abuse even in families that include biological parents. Again you can find exceptions to any rule. The smokers who outlive non-smokers. But that isn't going to negate the overwhelming numbers in favor of those families that do not have those situations.

We're talking overwhelming numbers in terms of how many more children perform well in school, who graduate, don't partake in drugs, have teen pregnancy, get caught up in crime, end up in gangs, and/or incarcerated or killed while dealing with drugs/gang related activity.
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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And that may work out for you individually, just like there are people who smoke and live longer than non-smokers. But on average it's not a healthy behavior

Just like on average, when you have people in the "test drive" mode in terms of how they find suitable partners, it doesn't work out for at least one of the person being test-driven. Usually the female

And again this is clearly indicative in the black community especially with the devastating rate of illegitimacy. And the white community continues to rise, again at rates even worse than when the rates of blacks was drawn attention to 50 years ago.



There is domestic violence and child abuse even in families that include biological parents. Again you can find exceptions to any rule. The smokers who outlive non-smokers. But that isn't going to negate the overwhelming numbers in favor of those families that do not have those situations.

We're talking overwhelming numbers in terms of how many more children graduate, don't partake in drugs, have teen pregnancy, get caught up in crime, end up in gangs, and/or incarcerated or killed while dealing with drugs/gang related activity.
Almost all the married people I know have had sex before marriage and are doing just fine.

Also, I think you generalize too much in your posts, when something on an individual level doesn't go with your story, you call it an exception so that it doesn't disrupt your believes on a generalized groups. That is actually very unhealthy behavior to have.
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