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Almost all the married people I know have had sex before marriage and are doing just fine.
Also, I think you generalize too much in your posts, when something on an individual level doesn't go with your story, you call it an exception so that it doesn't disrupt your believes on a generalized groups. That is actually very unhealthy behavior to have.
It's the complete opposite when I'm showing numbers that show rates of behavior put people at rates that are even orders of magnitude worse than people who smoke getting lung cancer, and the detractors have to come out the wood works with every excuse in the book to defend the behavior
When you cherry pick exceptions, it is not "making excuses" when pointing out exceptions are not the rule.
I mean again using your logic if you named 5 people who smoked and lived longer than people who didn't smoke, then all the data that says smoking puts people at higher rates of a numerous list of diseases and lowered the average life expectancy by a decade would be invalid because of your cherry picked exceptions
Despite all the examples of domestic violence, child abuse, etc that is behavior that is NOT the norm. The norm is overwhelmingly much more stable among married couples that stay together which is why the rates of just about every negative behavior that can be associated with children is much higher among those who grow up without that traditional family background.
You state that most people have sex before marriage who are in those marriages. But how many of those sexual acts with partners other than their spouse actually contributed to leading to marriage?
If people were still single, how exactly did that work out for them? All it did was put them at more risk for being on the list for all the negative physical, psychological, and economic risk factors especially for promiscuity. But even for 2-3 additional partners to one's eventual spouse.
It's the complete opposite when I'm showing numbers that show rates of behavior put people at rates that are even orders of magnitude worse than people who smoke getting lung cancer, and the detractors have to come out the wood works with every excuse in the book to defend the behavior
When you cherry pick exceptions, it is not "making excuses" when pointing out exceptions are not the rule.
I mean again using your logic if you named 5 people who smoked and lived longer than people who didn't smoke, then all the data that says smoking puts people at higher rates of a numerous list of diseases and lowered the average life expectancy by a decade would be invalid because of your cherry picked exceptions
Despite all the examples of domestic violence, child abuse, etc that is behavior that is NOT the norm. The norm is overwhelmingly much more stable among married couples that stay together which is why the rates of just about every negative behavior that can be associated with children is much higher among those who grow up without that traditional family background.
You state that most people have sex before marriage who are in those marriages. But how many of those sexual acts with partners other than their spouse actually contributed to leading to marriage?
If people were still single, how exactly did that work out for them? All it did was put them at more risk for being on the list for all the negative physical, psychological, and economic risk factors especially for promiscuity. But even for 2-3 additional partners to one's eventual spouse.
Thank god that isn't the norm, I think it is safe to say that most people in traditional and non-traditional families, which I have to question what traditional even means these days, are healthy families.
Well seeing that I am marrying a girl I am having sex with, she is the only sexual partner I am marrying. But that doesn't change the fact that I have learned a tremendous amount about myself through past partners which have included growth and maturity that has lead me to be able to find the right marriage for me. If I would of married the first girl I had sex with, I would probably be working on my second marriage now because my first one would of already fallen apart.
Hey, a great way by your ideals to get rid of singlehood would be arranged marriages straight out of high school so we would never be single. I would hate to of been married when I was 18 years old because I hadn't reached a level of maturity to know what I wanted out of a marriage, now at 35, I do know that and I am happy for the partners I have had over the years that have gotten me to this point.
Thank god that isn't the norm, I think it is safe to say that most people in traditional and non-traditional families, which I have to question what traditional even means these days, are healthy families.
Well seeing that I am marrying a girl I am having sex with, she is the only sexual partner I am marrying. But that doesn't change the fact that I have learned a tremendous amount about myself through past partners which have included growth and maturity that has lead me to be able to find the right marriage for me. If I would of married the first girl I had sex with, I would probably be working on my second marriage now because my first one would of already fallen apart.
Hey, a great way by your ideals to get rid of singlehood would be arranged marriages straight out of high school so we would never be single. I would hate to of been married when I was 18 years old because I hadn't reached a level of maturity to know what I wanted out of a marriage, now at 35, I do know that and I am happy for the partners I have had over the years that have gotten me to this point.
Relationships built primarily on sexual pleasure aren't going to last anyway. That's one of the problems of today's relationships which are based so heavily on physical attraction. And women especially who think they can keep a man in a relationship based on sex, are fooling themselves.
So the idea that one person wouldn't have worked out that you found out after "test driving" again that may work out for you without those tangible negative effects, but it certainly does not work out for the masses. For instance, those women who give themselves sexually to please a guy, how's it working out for so many of them who do not end up in matrimony?
The problem is that you have projected your example as if it's an exception to all examples.
Again the equivalent of you telling a story about someone who is better off than someone who lived a healthier lifestyle in terms of diet, smoking, alcohol, etc
You may have overcome those increased risk factors, but society as a whole is not better off under those ideals
And even if they don't touch you personally, if you instill those same values if you have children or other children that you influence, it will continue the decline.
Unless it's inherited genetically, you contract HIV from actually partaking in sexually deviant behavior showing disregard for yourself and your body
Wrong. You contract HIV from vaginal or anal sex. Through breastfeeding. Through infected blood. Through vaginal childbirth. You can be single or married. Male or female. Gay or straight. Do you believe the virus picks and chooses whose delicate tissues it invades?
You probably also do not know that receiving antiretroviral treatment makes the risk of passing HIV on to your partner go down to practically zero. But I suppose your solution is to prevent everyone from having sex rather than prevent everyone from being educated, tested and free from the risk of infection.
By the way, HIV is not genetic. Educate your damnself.
Relationships built primarily on sexual pleasure aren't going to last anyway. That's one of the problems of today's relationships which are based so heavily on physical attraction. And women especially who think they can keep a man in a relationship based on sex, are fooling themselves.
So the idea that one person wouldn't have worked out that you found out after "test driving" again that may work out for you without those tangible negative effects, but it certainly does not work out for the masses. For instance, those women who give themselves sexually to please a guy, how's it working out for so many of them who do not end up in matrimony?
The problem is that you have projected your example as if it's an exception to all examples.
Again the equivalent of you telling a story about someone who is better off than someone who lived a healthier lifestyle in terms of diet, smoking, alcohol, etc
You may have overcome those increased risk factors, but society as a whole is not better off under those ideals
And even if they don't touch you personally, if you instill those same values if you have children or other children that you influence, it will continue the decline.
Again you are generalizing, I never said anything about sex being a primary reason for a relationship. None of my relationships ended because of sex, they all ended do to not being compatible.
The problem you are having is you are generalizing people as if you know which each person is like simply because they are single or married.
The values I plan on instilling in my child is going to be to love and respect yourself and learn about yourself in order to figure out what you want in life and what you want out of a partner. For me, I wanted someone who was my equal, not someone I was above or below.
Wrong. You contract HIV from vaginal or anal sex. Through breastfeeding. Through infected blood. Through vaginal childbirth. You can be single or married. Male or female. Gay or straight. Do you believe the virus picks and chooses whose delicate tissues it invades?
You probably also do not know that receiving antiretroviral treatment makes the risk of passing HIV on to your partner go down to practically zero. But I suppose your solution is to prevent everyone from having sex rather than prevent everyone from being educated, tested and free from the risk of infection.
By the way, HIV is not genetic. Educate your damnself.
The gay guys fueled aids to what it is today and continue to do so, a known scientific fact....
start from there if you want to develop a point.
The floodgates will now be opened. One can only wonder where this will lead. Will this diminish the stature of professional athletes? Will straight children now look to gay men as role models? What happens when players on opposite sides of the ball are married to each other? We have brothers facing each other now, but husbands and "wives"?
Only the morons will be upset, because they are morons.
The guys a fraud....one of his girlfriends came out. A skinny model type blonde....hes one of those guys that will do it to anybody, but doesn't tell the women...and thats how the women get hiv...she was shocked and prob now has to go get checked....what a terrible crowd in every way...so much for the big story, total shame right off the bat and hardly surprising.
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The guys a fraud....one of his girlfriends came out. A skinny model type blonde....hes one of those guys that will do it to anybody, but doesn't tell the women...and thats how the women get hiv...she was shocked and prob now has to go get checked....what a terrible crowd in every way...so much for the big story, total shame right off the bat and hardly surprising.
He hasn't been with his girlfriend since 2009.
Many gay guys, especially when younger try the whole "beard" thing, try to live society's expectation. When you're younger, it's easier to do this. The wind blows and a young guy can get an erection. Friction does its job no matter what or who you're having sex with.
Thankfully this guy called it off and didn't enter into a sham marriage. Everyone deserves to be in a relationship with a partner that desires them wholly - gay or straight.
Ironically though, crack geniuses such as yourself demand gay people do EXACTLY what Jason Collins did ---- and then apparently get pissed off when you find out that they did it.
We already know you have ZERO moral consistency, so it's not surprising.... looks like you just keep moving the ball so you can continue to be outraged.
The floodgates will now be opened. One can only wonder where this will lead. Will this diminish the stature of professional athletes? Will straight children now look to gay men as role models? What happens when players on opposite sides of the ball are married to each other? We have brothers facing each other now, but husbands and "wives"?
It's life.
That's all.
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