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And it's more than just salary..it's total labor cost. The US has one of the highest labor costs.
Whatever the salary is..double it and that is about what the employer has to pay in total for a US employee.
Go overseas and the labor cost is only 1.5X or less. No FICA, no UE insurance, no Worker's Comp..whole different set of employer paid benefits.
US employees are just too expensive when compared to same skillets in other countries.
And the new comers to high tech..Vietnam, Singapore, Philippines are undercutting China and India.
And it's more than just salary..it's total labor cost. The US has one of the highest labor costs.
Whatever the salary is..double it and that is about what the employer has to pay in total for a US employee.
Go overseas and the labor cost is only 1.5X or less. No FICA, no UE insurance, no Worker's Comp..whole different set of employer paid benefits.
US employees are just too expensive when compared to same skillets in other countries.
And the new comers to high tech..Vietnam, Singapore, Philippines are undercutting China and India.
However, low costs aren't everything. You can forget about protecting, confidential information like Intellectual Property, trade secrets, account information and corporate planning. As soon as the job is done all that stuff walks out the door. Even worse your former Chinese or Indian partner then rushes a functionally equivalent, look alike version of your product for a fraction of the price and proceeds to (1) knock you out of the local market and then out of the rest of Asia, Europe and Latin America. and then (2) buys out your failing company. Do names like Huawei, Lenovo, Foxcomm, Ranbaxy and Wipro ring a bell?
However, low costs aren't everything. You can forget about protecting, confidential information like Intellectual Property, trade secrets, account information and corporate planning. As soon as the job is done all that stuff walks out the door. Even worse your former Chinese or Indian partner then rushes a functionally equivalent, look alike version of your product for a fraction of the price and proceeds to (1) knock you out of the local market and then out of the rest of Asia, Europe and Latin America. and then (2) buys out your failing company. Do names like Huawei, Lenovo, Foxcomm, Ranbaxy and Wipro ring a bell?
This started back in the early to mid 90's. I was in the industry and I saw the call centers and maintenance fixes go offshore. Over time development, design, project management went and then full departments went.
That "confidential" information left our shores at least a decade ago.
Your confidential information is floating around the world now, held in various databases in other countries.
Is there any computer anymore that is 100% produced in the US ? No there isn't.
I've always found it funny how the country that produces the best doctors, scientists, and educators can't seem to get their act together to produce engineers worth a damn...
I assume you are speaking of India, since if you were familiar with American-born engineers, you'd know they have twice the intellect of the average doctor, while scientists and STEM educators at the college level are "book smart" but not particularly able to solve technical problems.
And here's why engineers from India are nowhere near the quality of American-born engineers: in India, you buy your degree, and engineering degrees are considered very admirable. While many can do good computations and solving problems that have already been defined, they are generally VERY poor at defining the problems and solving them in the most efficient manner. India has a caste-based society, and this is a major problem when an American corporation hires numerous foreign engineers--an engineer from a lower caste will NEVER contradict a higher caste engineer or manager. And in engineering it is critically necessary to correct the misconceptions and misunderstandings of others, regardless of where they fall in the social or company hierarchy.
It should be noted that the sheer number of people in India means that there will be a relatively large number of people who are quite intelligent.
It should also be noted that the influx of engineers from India has both significantly lowered both the pay, and significantly worsened the working conditions and benefits of engineers. A few generations ago, engineers were rightfully in a socio-economic class above doctors. Today doctors are little more than technicians who understand that when a patient comes in with group of symptoms A, they prescribe medication B (the latest, most expensive issue of Big Pharma) and the 5-minute interaction is over. If you go back to the doctor and say "that didn't help," a few good doctors may be able to come up with one alternative medication to try. If that doesn't work, they're done--you're referred to a specialist. Engineers today cringe at how modern doctors are totally unable to problem solve, and totally unwilling to spend more than 5 minutes on a problem when a human life--rather than a failed pump--is involved.
I've worked with these H1B imports. They have, many of them, bad work habits. They try to hide their lack of expertise. Which I think means they inflate resumes to whatever degree necessary to con the people who hire. I don't doubt India has some geniuses, but personal experience tells me that there's no quality control on the visas handed out. Why should native born Americans be required to drag these foreign workers along? If they can't VERIFY the claims in the resume, then they shouldn't hire them for their low demands and expect more qualified staff to make them functional. All we hear is from people fighting for the same jobs. Who is listening to the natives here who suffer increased burdens because "we're at full staff so we should meet deadlines". I can't paint them all with a single brush, but a number of them really irritated me. They tried to make me responsible when they goofed.
Remember what Ross Perot said about jobs leaving the country +15 years ago? Did ya'll think the damage was only going to be relegated to a bunch of HS grad blue collar workers? Of course, in order for domestic businesses to compete, what do you think they are going to try to do? Yup, pay less any way they can.
There's people all around the globe who can do the same job as any American. Many will also work cheaper too thanks to lower standard of living and COL. And the one's who come here know how to live on less. They will do the jobs you don't see many Americans doing anymore, like driving a cab. They'll also do the jobs Americans will do, but for a significantly lower wage/salary.
I've worked with these H1B imports. They have, many of them, bad work habits. They try to hide their lack of expertise. Which I think means they inflate resumes to whatever degree necessary to con the people who hire. I don't doubt India has some geniuses, but personal experience tells me that there's no quality control on the visas handed out. Why should native born Americans be required to drag these foreign workers along? If they can't VERIFY the claims in the resume, then they shouldn't hire them for their low demands and expect more qualified staff to make them functional. All we hear is from people fighting for the same jobs. Who is listening to the natives here who suffer increased burdens because "we're at full staff so we should meet deadlines". I can't paint them all with a single brush, but a number of them really irritated me. They tried to make me responsible when they goofed.
Oh yeah. The stories I've heard of incompetence, bulshizit degrees (University of India?) and lying, passive-aggressive sleaziness are legendary.
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