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Old 04-29-2013, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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All companies should pay minimum wage or less (via illegal immigration)
Why stop there? Just repeal the 13th Amendment so companies can own their workers -- because that's really what you are endorsing, a regression back to a time when workers lived hand-to-mouth at the mercy of the company, which was owned by plutocrats smoking cigars and sniffing cognac.
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Old 04-29-2013, 05:27 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Well that is the company who bought them, nothing like paying workers less to do more work. It is the new American Way.
Liberals, of course, prefer to use Big Government to force companies to pay workers more to do less work, and drive the companies' prices so high that they go bankrupt, resulting in no workers doing any work at all.

Good job, liberals.

You've had your run. Now it's time for the adults to come back and do it right.

BTW, lefties, did I miss the part where you went to all those bankrupted workers and apologized to them for destroying their livelihoods? You DID apologize, didn't you, lefties?
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Old 04-29-2013, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Liberals, of course, prefer to use Big Government to force companies to pay workers more to do less work, and drive the companies' prices so high that they go bankrupt, resulting in no workers doing any work at all.

Good job, liberals.

You've had your run. Now it's time for the adults to come back and do it right.

BTW, lefties, did I miss the part where you went to all those bankrupted workers and apologized to them for destroying their livelihoods? You DID apologize, didn't you, lefties?
Have a little respect. Big Government forcing companies to pay workers a living wage and unionization, is what created the middle class two generations ago.

Unions are not what brought down Hostess -- a company that failed to innovate or change its product in 60 years.
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Old 04-29-2013, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Dublin, CA
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1500 new jobs, union members need no apply.

When you make unrealistic demands and force companies to shut down, don’t expect the company to re-open with arms wide open to your ilk.

Unions Force Twinkies Out of Business, Twinkies Re-Opens With 1,500 New Hires… None Union - Liberty News
I'm torn on this. Yes, unions do sometimes go overboard. At the same time, companies have a tendency to take advantage of workers. Their top management making money hand over fist, Golden Parachute's, etc while their employee's get the scrapes left over and are supposed to be happy about it.

Maybe if some of these greedy CEO's, etc treated their employee's properly, these issues wouldn't occur in the future.
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Old 04-29-2013, 05:31 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Originally Posted by theunbrainwashed
All companies should pay minimum wage or less (via illegal immigration)
Why stop there? Just repeal the 13th Amendment so companies can own their workers
As inevitably as the dawn following the dusk, we find the leftists whose plans utterly failed, who were responsible for destroying the livelihoods of hundreds of people, and who are how sitting on the sidelines watching ...

...shouting their usual hysterical rants as responsible people finally step in to put back together what the leftists broke.
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Old 04-29-2013, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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As inevitably as the dawn following the dusk, we find the leftists whose plans utterly failed, who were responsible for destroying the livelihoods of hundreds of people, and who are how sitting on the sidelines watching ...

...shouting their usual hysterical rants as responsible people finally step in to put back together what the leftists broke.
Actually the CEOs of Hostess are the ones that ran their company into the ground, but you keep blaming the unions.
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Old 04-29-2013, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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As inevitably as the dawn following the dusk, we find the leftists whose plans utterly failed, who were responsible for destroying the livelihoods of hundreds of people, and who are how sitting on the sidelines watching ...

...shouting their usual hysterical rants as responsible people finally step in to put back together what the leftists broke.
Any smug moron can self-describe them self as "responsible," that doesn't make it so. The fact is that when we really had responsible government, like the government that created the New Deal -- a government that protected workers from the excesses of corporations, income inequality declined drastically while working Americans saw unprecedented gains. This was partly because strong unions, a high minimum wage, and a progressive tax system helped limit inequality.

The Reagan revolution, undid much of those protections. The result was a poorer middle-class and an return of inequality. It's ironic that you blame the left for breaking what conservatives ruined.
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Old 04-29-2013, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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That's a shame. Twinkies and Ding Dongs are disgusting.
Agreed, I'll never either one.
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Old 04-29-2013, 06:27 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Have a little respect. Big Government forcing companies to pay workers a living wage and unionization, is what created the middle class two generations ago.

Unions are not what brought down Hostess -- a company that failed to innovate or change its product in 60 years.


Busting Unions created the biggest middle class this nation has ever known and the side effects were the most prosperous time in US history. It was Harding & Coolidge, with the roaring 20's.
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Old 04-29-2013, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Busting Unions created the biggest middle class this nation has ever known and the side effects were the most prosperous time in US history. It was Harding & Coolidge, with the roaring 20's.
You have your facts, as well as your history, confused. The middle class grew in the 1940s and 50s. The 1920s was the most prosperous period for the top class, not the working class.

As union membership declined, so did the share of income going to workers:

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