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Old 05-04-2013, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Many of our plants are in regions adding jobs at a brisk pace. That affects FMV. Nashville, for instance, grew jobs at a 3.9% annual clip in 2012, faster than all other metros with 1 million or more population.
If I were a business man, I would be building plants in the areas with the highest concentration of $8-$10/hr workers as well. If I were a skilled worker who could count without the aid of fingers and toes, I would either move north, or stay there. Regardless if RTW offers the right to choose, it's pretty clear that RTW states almost always offer lower wages for comparable positions.

Sorry, but around these parts, we like our living wages. RTW simply translates into RTW - for less. If companies got rid of the silly bonuses and outrageous perks for various white collar staff, there would be plenty left over to sell products at an affordable price while paying every work at least a living wage. The south is simply trying to emulate the plantation social structure. Enjoy your slave wage laborers "massa". Just wish you didn't require the government's help keeping them fed and warm at night.
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Old 05-04-2013, 04:40 PM
 
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But you can't compartmentalize many of the benefits of unionization to union members, e.g. improved working conditions. RTW is still a pretty reliable way of cranking up the free rider problem.
I just looked up free rider and found this:

In a labor union, free riding occurs if an employee pays no union dues or agency shop fees, but benefits from union representation.

Great term!

Benefiting from union representation without paying for the representation.
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Old 05-04-2013, 06:26 PM
 
Location: NJ
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"The percentage of workers belonging to a union (or "density") in the United States peaked in 1954 at almost 35%"

and is now 6% private sector. Yes, they must be doing something right. (sar)

source: Labor unions in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 05-08-2013, 04:38 PM
 
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"The percentage of workers belonging to a union (or "density") in the United States peaked in 1954 at almost 35%"

and is now 6% private sector. Yes, they must be doing something right. (sar)

source: Labor unions in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That's largely because the sector of the economy that was most heavily unionized in the 1950s was manufacturing. The share of manufacturing jobs in the economy has been declining because of outsourcing, increased use of technology, and RTW laws, which has resulted in a decline in the number of private sector union jobs.
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Old 05-08-2013, 10:19 PM
 
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Are you that insecure about your ability that you think that without union support your labor isn't valued?

I am glad that I was instilled with the self confidence of knowing that I don't need someone to negotiate my worth for me.

It's not about insecurity or self confidence.....seriously, are you kidding. It's about being paid what you are worth and not being taken advantage of. You may have a big voice but a lot don't. So how's your health insurance btw How was your voice in that discussion
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Old 04-25-2016, 08:02 AM
 
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We have had decades of government turning their back on illegal immigration to the point that we are full of low skilled workers willing to work for low wages.

Blame government inefficiency, not business.
Don't blame business, blame government? Seriously? Blame falls squarely on the shoulders if business. Business provides the jobs that are the lure for illegal immigration. And it pressures government to be lax on enforcement. Start arresting execs of companies, including those of the Fortune 500 variety, that hire illegals or allow contractors to and our illegal immigration issues will get fixed so fast your head will spin.
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Old 04-25-2016, 08:07 AM
 
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If I were a business man, I would be building plants in the areas with the highest concentration of $8-$10/hr workers as well. If I were a skilled worker who could count without the aid of fingers and toes, I would either move north, or stay there. Regardless if RTW offers the right to choose, it's pretty clear that RTW states almost always offer lower wages for comparable positions.

Sorry, but around these parts, we like our living wages. RTW simply translates into RTW - for less. If companies got rid of the silly bonuses and outrageous perks for various white collar staff, there would be plenty left over to sell products at an affordable price while paying every work at least a living wage. The south is simply trying to emulate the plantation social structure. Enjoy your slave wage laborers "massa". Just wish you didn't require the government's help keeping them fed and warm at night.
The South has always been characterized by exploitation of it's lower classes...dating back to colonial times. RTW is just the latest tactic for doing that.
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Old 04-25-2016, 08:11 AM
 
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The South has always been characterized by exploitation of it's lower classes...dating back to colonial times. RTW is just the latest tactic for doing that.
You would think that after a hundred years or so of being treated like slaves they would have learned something wouldn't you?

"Stupid" get's passed down generationally I guess.
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Old 04-25-2016, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Are you that insecure about your ability that you think that without union support your labor isn't valued?

I am glad that I was instilled with the self confidence of knowing that I don't need someone to negotiate my worth for me.
That's like a serial killers saying "stop me before I kill again -- and if you don't, the deaths are on you."

On the topic itself, we have over a century of history to see the effect of unions on wages. Before unions, employers held wages low and there was little that workers could do about it without being organized. Then, workers organized and forced wages higher. In recent decades, we see that because of the lower levels of union members, wages have either stagnated or fell.
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Old 04-25-2016, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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considering the effects on wages of internationalization on wages and benefits it is apparent to me that we need to organize the rest of the workers in this country and in the rest of the world. We need the ONE BIG UNION! We need the INTERNATIONAL WORKERS OF THE WORLD! We need it NOW!
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