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Old 05-01-2013, 12:15 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Originally Posted by EddieB.Good View Post
There are at least 3 threads on the first page attributing the plight of workers or the weaker economy to Obama. What? How is the President responsible for a business' decisions on when to hire or how much to pay? The most the President can do is create an environment for business to be successful & profitable... which the current environment is.

The fact is the current economic conditions in America are EXACTLY what Conservative policies lead to. In fact, I can't think of a SINGLE Conservative policy that would reverse the current trend. I've even asked Conservatives on here for their examples. Nothing.

I don't understand how you can be FOR offshoring jobs, importing workers and AGAINST minimum wages, collective bargaining and be surprised that the result is an America where the majority are affected by stagnating wages, and less disposable income.

So are Conservatives being deceptive when they complain about the conditions they asked for? Are they too obtuse to see the cause & effect relationship of their agenda? Or are they serious when they blame Democrats for Republican actions?
Why should they? I mean if they are going to be taxed, regulated, and demonized, why should they? why should they expend? why should they keep their money in this nation?

Also any real conservative is not in favor of importing workers, and when it comes to the minimum wage, everyone know that the value of the dollar has lost 99% of its value since 1913(the year of the federal reserve act) maybe if we had a currency backed by precious metals instead of lies by fools in Washington the a dollar would be worth something.

also maybe we need to ask, "not we are people keeping money overseas" but "

"Why isn't American Switzerland/Cayman island of the world".

PS when did we ask to have the highest corporate tax rate in the world?

funny you want to blame the pro business crowed for the policy and the affects of which that were pasted by a bunch of money hungry statist thugs.
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Old 05-01-2013, 12:51 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Originally Posted by EddieB.Good View Post
Really? There's a 125% tax about to hit us? From who? From where?


Forget math. Think Obamacare. Companies are scared about the implications and costs. Four years later we still don't know what's in it or how much it will cost.
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Old 05-01-2013, 01:07 AM
 
Location: Alaska
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Originally Posted by Winter_Sucks View Post
Record corporate profits, the stock market is at record levels, and the rich are getting richer. When is all that wealth going to trickle down?
You mean when is your Dear Leader going to step in and take it from the folks who earned it and give it to the leeches who expect it for nothing?

You also need to realize that a lot of that money is coming from your Dear Leader in the form of billions per month in pumping...

I would suspect that the divide your Dear Leader created between business the himself and the people along with his constant attacks on business isn't helping. Why should I hire someone when I have no clue how much I am going to be paying for Health Care, Taxes etc? Do you people think that we open a business and all the sudden the owners are rich?

Look at his attack on coal.. Do you think that coal mines in WV are going to hire when his EPA is trying to shut them down? Explain your Dear Leaders thought process to the 1000's of miners that are wondering how long they will have their jobs if they haven't lost them already.
Get a clue..
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Old 05-01-2013, 01:20 AM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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TrapperJohn nailed it, short, sweet, and absolutely to the point. The Dems will have a heck of a time trying to defend ObamaCare, which is going to get them obliterated next year come election season, and certainly explains why Max Baucus jumped ship via early 'retirement'.

Defending this putrid economy is yet another albatross around their collective necks.
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Old 05-01-2013, 01:55 AM
 
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Originally Posted by EddieB.Good View Post
There are at least 3 threads on the first page attributing the plight of workers or the weaker economy to Obama. What? How is the President responsible for a business' decisions on when to hire or how much to pay? The most the President can do is create an environment for business to be successful & profitable... which the current environment is.

The fact is the current economic conditions in America are EXACTLY what Conservative policies lead to. In fact, I can't think of a SINGLE Conservative policy that would reverse the current trend. I've even asked Conservatives on here for their examples. Nothing.
So Obamacare (the biggest block to hiring) is a "conservative policy" despite the fact that not a single Republican voted for it?

Actually it's MEGACORPORATIONS who are making record profits, not "business".

And yes megacorps ARE hiring, though mostly illegals in construction/ag or the cheapo H1-B tech imports Demopublicans love.

Small/mid size businesses are just barely scraping by and certainly aren't going to increase hiring or hours with the Obamacarepocalyse looming. This is sad because small-mid size businesses make up the vast majority of the economy.

But that's all part of the plan... Obama like all students of Socialism doesn't like the smaller "bourgeoisie" middle class business-types because they act like anchors against the society-rending revolutionary "change" his type craves.

But Obama sure loves elite transnational corporate scumbags like Buffet, Zuckerberg and Soros.
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Old 05-01-2013, 04:24 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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??????????????????????

This is YOUR PRESIDENT and these results have occurred due to HIS POLICIES. Want unemployment to drop? Get rid of Obama and initiate what Romney wanted.

1. lower corporate taxes
2. expansion of domestic energy exploration on federal lands
3. stopping the war on coal
4. reduce EPA regulations
5. corporate consumption tax
6. renegotiate NAFTA and China most favored nation trade status
7. national right to work act
8. reduced personal income taxes
9. control of federal spending
10. elimination of Obamacare



In short, when you vote for Obama, don't complain about the results. You voted for him- enjoy all the economic misery he has delivered to you. Voting has consequences; didn't you realize what he was going to do when you voted for him?
Can't let this go unanswered. This post rests upon the assumption that taxes are a drag on economic growth, which there is no evidence to be true. During the 1970s, 80s and 90s there was far more economic growth and healthy job growth. Since lowering taxes we see far less economic and job growth. The economy didn't drop 7% in GDP in 2008 because people suddenly discovered taxes were too high.

The idea that cutting spending grows the economy is also fallacious. Cutting spending throws people out of work which slows the economy and leads to more unemployment. Contractionary policies are indeed contractionary.

The Right to Work Acts are merely union busting laws. If you review who funds advocacy of these laws, it's corporations who want to keep labor rates and protections low, while selling it as doing workers a favor.

While we read much about how Obamacare will cause companies to move to part-time workers, that doesn't make sense from a business prospective . There are only a limited number of part-time workers, who are transient by nature. They are more expensive in the long run than full-time workers even if one has to -- gasp-- provide health care.

Regulations also aren't dragging the economy down. There is no evidence that reducing a company's costs is worth relaxing protections of the environment, health and safety. That merely shifts costs onto others.

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Old 05-01-2013, 06:16 AM
 
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Businesses have been hoarding cash since 2008 -- before Obamacare was spoken of. Try another excuse.

Businesses hold cash when they don't have a reason to expand their businesses.

.................... and that reason is that there is not an economic environment in which expansion makes good sense.

You elected this "president" and his policies- live with it. Anyone with more than two neurons glued together with a spirochete knew that Obama was anti-business. To the left, this did not matter, as they valued his socialist agenda more.

Now the left complains about a poor economy Obama has perpetuated and they, by voting him in a second term, are directly responsible for?
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Old 05-01-2013, 06:20 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Record corporate profits, the stock market is at record levels, and the rich are getting richer. When is all that wealth going to trickle down?
It already has. Millions of us with retirement savings accounts enjoy huge corporate profits. That's what drives the stock market.

Thank you Big Business for the trickle down wealth and funding my retirement.
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Old 05-01-2013, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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Record corporate profits, the stock market is at record levels, and the rich are getting richer. When is all that wealth going to trickle down?

These are mostly PUBLIC companies. You can buy as many shares as you wish and the wealth will "trickle down" to you.
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Old 05-01-2013, 06:27 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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It already has. Millions of us with retirement savings accounts enjoy huge corporate profits. That's what drives the stock market.

Thank you Big Business for the trickle down wealth and funding my retirement.
Yep,

My 401K has taken off like a rocket.
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