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Old 05-01-2013, 11:35 PM
 
Location: Australia
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What does rape have to do with abstinence?

By its very definition, rape is a forceful assault.

It has nothing to do with the willful choices involved in consensual sexual relations, or the willful choise to abstain from those relations.

Those areas with high pregnancy rates are thus because people are not practicing abstinence.

If you don't use a pencil sharpener, then don't be surprised if your pencils all become dull at some point.

You wouldn't conclude that pencil sharpeners are useless.
Abstinence isn't a 100% method of preventing pregnancy.

A girl can abstain from sex as much as she likes, but that WILL NOT protect her from pregnancy from rape.

Telling people to be abstinent won't make them be abstinent. Human beings are sexual creatures. It's in human nature to want to have sex. abstinence-only education has been proven to be a complete failure and waste of time. Only people who dislike sex will be abstinent.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:42 PM
 
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If women who get abortions are murderers, then why shouldn't they be treated the same as murderers?

Execution or life in prison.

Murder is murder, right?

A person who shoots up a school doesn't get "educated about murder and what it really is, what it really does". We put them in prison for life/many years or we execute them.

Why not treat women who get abortions the same way?

Unless you don't really believe that getting an abortion is the same as shooting a grown 25 year in the head.

Our overly sexualized society and PP who say just use a condom and BC then have sex gives young people a sense it won't happen to them. BC fails plus it won't prevent STDs. I wish PP would be give more information to kids, Along with BC show them an abortion and the consequences of having one. Nothing is shown on abortion except if you have an oops go get one, problem solved, when it's just the beginning of problems.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:43 PM
 
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Abstinence isn't a 100% method of preventing pregnancy.

A girl can abstain from sex as much as she likes, but that WILL NOT protect her from pregnancy from rape.

Telling people to be abstinent won't make them be abstinent. Human beings are sexual creatures. It's in human nature to want to have sex. abstinence-only education has been proven to be a complete failure and waste of time. Only people who dislike sex will be abstinent.
So you are saying people don't have any self control. Many do and many want to wait.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:43 PM
 
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And the solution to abortion is still the same as back then. If you don't want to have a baby quit taking your clothes off to have sex with the opposite sex.
So a married couple who want zero children should never, ever have sex?
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:45 PM
 
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So you are saying people don't have any self control. Many do and many want to wait.
Prove it.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:48 PM
 
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So a married couple who want zero children should never, ever have sex?


It's called a vasectomy.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:49 PM
 
Location: Australia
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Our overly sexualized society and PP who say just use a condom and BC then have sex gives young people a sense it won't happen to them. BC fails plus it won't prevent STDs. I wish PP would be give more information to kids, Along with BC show them an abortion and the consequences of having one. Nothing is shown on abortion except if you have an oops go get one, problem solved, when it's just the beginning of problems.
Do you seriously believe that people should ONLY have sex when they want a child?

If abortion is murder, then we should treat women who get abortions exactly the same as we treat murderers.

Why SHOULDN'T we imprison or execute women who get abortions?

Why should a woman who "aborts [kills] her baby" get off scot-free while a man who takes a gun into a university and kills 50 innocent people gets life in prison or lethal injection?

Aren't they exactly the same?

Why should one get treated differently than the other?
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:50 PM
 
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Do you seriously believe that people should ONLY have sex when they want a child?

If abortion is murder, then we should treat women who get abortions exactly the same as we treat murderers.

Why SHOULDN'T we imprison or execute women who get abortions?

Why should a woman who "aborts [kills] her baby" get off scot-free while a man who takes a gun into a university and kills 50 innocent people gets life in prison or lethal injection?

Aren't they exactly the same?

Why should one get treated differently than the other?

Are you saying that is what you want to happen to them?
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:52 PM
 
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It's called a vasectomy.
In rare cases, sterilisation can fail.

Sometimes there are small numbers of live sperm still active in semen.

Clips on fallopian tubes can loosen and fall off.

Tied fallopian tubes can untie.

Fallopian tubes that have been cut/burned/tied can sometimes grow back.

In the case of contraceptive failure, should they or should they not get an abortion?
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:52 PM
 
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Are you saying that is what you want to happen to them?
StabbyAbby didn't say anything at all that would suggest that she did.

However, she has asked you this question repeatedly and you have yet to answer it.

Are you willing to answer the question?
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