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Old 05-01-2013, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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A common theme bandied about - WEALTH redistribution - as the means to ease or eradicate poverty is a wasted effort.

Take a deep breath and THINK.

If spreading wealth was all that was needed, let's just resolve the problem once and for all.
If all it would take to eliminate poverty is to give money to the poor, let us do it in a BIG WAY.

As the Galactic emperor of Earth, I decree that tomorrow, everyone shall have 44 billion gold quatloos credited to his account.
Everybody will be filthy rich... and equally so.

Now, would we eliminate poverty?

Of course not.

In fact, if "everybody" believed they had "all the money they would ever need", would they bother to go to work?

Why should they?

They can kick back, order some food, watch their entertainment device, and enjoy.
Except that if everyone else did the same, there's no one to make the food, deliver the food, or even take the order. There's no one operating the transmission devices to distribute entertainment.
There will be a slight problem spending that wealth if no one bothers to go to work, or haul raw materials, or manufacture goods, or do anything productive. Can't order take out food if nobody slogs to work and cooks. Can't go to the theater if no actor shows up. Who's going to fix the broken toilet? Can't find a plumber to hire.

In short order, civilization collapses.

The moral - money and wealth are not the solution to poverty.
In fact, money is one of the reasons why there is poverty.
Poverty is the state or condition of having little or no money, goods, or means of support; condition of being poor; lacking the usual or socially acceptable amount of money or material possessions.

That idea is a sham to hide the truth. Why aren't poor people prosperous?

The truth is that money makes people poor. The belief in "money madness" empowers the predators, the usurers, the socialists, and the skimmers to take other people's labor and property without equitable trade.

What is Prosperity?

Prosperity is the production, trade and enjoyment of surplus usable goods and services.
Doing more with less, so more can enjoy results in greater happiness... or the key to finding happiness.
Doing less with more, so fewer can enjoy results in greater misery.

What is stopping unemployed people from working ?
No one to hire them... More accurately, no money to hire them.

What is stopping production?
There are plenty of surplus production facilities (factories) and people with unmet needs!
No one has money to buy what they make.

See?

There is something INSANE going on, right under our noses.

We're told that money is the answer, when it isn't.
And yet, we're told to blame the lack of money as the reason why the economy is tanking.

All the billionaires are not bidding up the price for peanut butter, hamburgers and ice tea.

Here's a hint :
"Someone" is interfering in the prosperity process.
"Someone" is preventing productive people from creating, trading, and transporting their surplus usable goods and services, so that everyone can enjoy them.
"Someone" has penalized the productive people and subsidized the non-productive people.
"Someone" has been preying upon the productive people and taking their production, without equitably trading their own production.
"Someone" has devalued the money token, wiped out savings by inflation, and driven the masses into economic decline.

Can you guess who or what that "Someone" is?
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Old 05-01-2013, 08:05 PM
 
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Wealth redistribution isn't aimed at ''eliminating poverty''. It's aimed at giving others a bigger fighting chance

Creating a CEO wage cap would eliminate a lot of issues you describe. Why have corporate profits multiplied and yet Men's earnings have been frozen since the 70's. I know the reasons: increased womens work force, technology, global competitors but why do CEO still make more than ever?
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Old 05-01-2013, 08:07 PM
 
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That is one of the most bizarre things I have ever read...
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:20 PM
 
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It's hilarious that some people are complaining about 'wealth redistribution' in one direction while redistribution in the other direction is being ignored like an elephant in the room.

Every time an involuntary renter writes a rent check to a landlord, government is redistributing wealth upward.
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Old 05-02-2013, 12:50 AM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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Here's a hint :
"Someone" is interfering in the prosperity process.
"Someone" is preventing productive people from creating, trading, and transporting their surplus usable goods and services, so that everyone can enjoy them.
"Someone" has penalized the productive people and subsidized the non-productive people.
"Someone" has been preying upon the productive people and taking their production, without equitably trading their own production.
"Someone" has devalued the money token, wiped out savings by inflation, and driven the masses into economic decline.

Can you guess who or what that "Someone" is?
Goldman Sachs?

High risk venture capitalists and their little games with risky mortgage derivatives that the rest of us had to pay for when the party was over?

The Communist Chinese gov't in cahoots with corrupt Chinese business leaders bleating lies about the global "free market"?

The US Congress that makes sure its members can flit around the Country in First Class while Seniors go hungry?

John Galt?

I dunno. I will say that it bores me to tears the way the Republican party members have all gone and gotten the words, "It's All O'bama's Fault" tattooed across their foreheads. We got almost 4 more years to go in this presidency, and you've done nothing but whine for the previous 4 years, too.

Fine. No Republican is responsible for ANYTHING what-so-ever; not the problems we currently have and not for trying to come up with any solutions either. Your little lives have been reduced to such a pathetic state that you're incapable of any reasoning or attempts at problem solving or making the effort to change ANYTHING for the better because a BLACK MAN is in the White House which means that you don't have to take any responsibility for your own lives - never mind take an honest and intelligent look at what's going on with our government.

The fault in not in Obama, but in yourselves, that you are underlings.
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Old 05-02-2013, 12:59 AM
 
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Goldman Sachs?

High risk venture capitalists and their little games with risky mortgage derivatives that the rest of us had to pay for when the party was over?

The Communist Chinese gov't in cahoots with corrupt Chinese business leaders bleating lies about the global "free market"?

The US Congress that makes sure its members can flit around the Country in First Class while Seniors go hungry?

John Galt?

I dunno. I will say that it bores me to tears the way the Republican party members have all gone and gotten the words, "It's All O'bama's Fault" tattooed across their foreheads. We got almost 4 more years to go in this presidency, and you've done nothing but whine for the previous 4 years, too.

Fine. No Republican is responsible for ANYTHING what-so-ever; not the problems we currently have and not for trying to come up with any solutions either. Your little lives have been reduced to such a pathetic state that you're incapable of any reasoning or attempts at problem solving or making the effort to change ANYTHING for the better because a BLACK MAN is in the White House which means that you don't have to take any responsibility for your own lives - never mind take an honest and intelligent look at what's going on with our government.

The fault in not in Obama, but in yourselves, that you are underlings.
You have done it, you insinuated an insult of Ayn Rand AND said the "black" word. I agree that a lot of Obama hate is because he is black. A lot of it too, is just because he is the president.
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Old 05-02-2013, 01:09 AM
 
Location: Alaska
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A perfect example of modern slavery is getting up and going to work every morning to pay taxes so 50 million other people don't have to work.

I liked that and it reminds me of the leeches that put the village idiot in the White House. It also reminds me to work even harder on making sure he doesn't get his hands on what little I have left over. If you think hard working people are going to willingly give up what they have worked for so you can sit around and smoke dope all day and ***** about what you don't have your sicker than we all possibility imagined.
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Old 05-02-2013, 01:32 AM
 
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You have done it, you insinuated an insult of Ayn Rand AND said the "black" word. I agree that a lot of Obama hate is because he is black. A lot of it too, is just because he is the president.
And a lot of it is also cause other than Universal Health care he's done nothing he campaigned about. Gay rights? Abortion? Those issues were socially decided decades ago. All he does is fight with Republicans. Leader?
Obama has been a big disappointment

- Obama voter in 2008
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