If abortion is murder, then what should we do to women who get abortions? (dollars, financial)
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If abortion is murder, then it stands to reason that we should treat women who get abortions FOR ANY REASON the same way murderers already get treated: death penalty or life in prison (or at least several years).
If all abortion is murder, then the reason for getting an abortion should not be relevant because all abortions result in a "dead innocent baby", therefore, murder. A woman who gets an abortion for birth defects should be treated the same as women who abort because of rape, incest, deteriorating health of the mother, a dying baby, birth control failure or simply because she doesn't want a child. If you oppose abortion but make exceptions, then you're not being morally consistent. You can't say that it's acceptable to murder an innocent baby in X situation but it's unacceptable to murder an innocent baby in Y situation.
So how should we, as a society treat women who get abortions?
given your scenario, you have left out the "murderer." the doctor would be considered the murderer.
There is nothing wrong with stopping that kind of pregnancy. The baby will surely die along with the mother. All agree that can be stopped.
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Originally Posted by randomparent
Stop mincing words. The term is aborted.
Exactly, Janelle. "Stopping" a pregnancy IS abortion. Even if you would like to think of it differently, it's still abortion. That's the OP's main question/point, by the way. If you believe abortion is murder, then all abortion is murder - you can't cherry pick to please yourself. Whether someone gets an abortion because they were raped, or someone gets an abortion because the pregnancy is ectopic and the fetus and mother have an extremely low chance of survival, it's still an abortion. If one makes you a murderer, surely the other does as well. Just because it may be easier to sympathize with a woman getting an abortion because her pregnancy is ectopic, doesn't mean she's still not "murdering" the fetus, exactly as the rape victim would be.
There are some that would argue that even the slimmest chance of survival of the fetus is reason enough to keep a pregnancy, even if it would almost surely kill the mother. Again, I have a feeling that most people, if in that situation (or if their wife/partner/girlfriend were in the situation), would suddenly find the idea of abortion less abhorrent. Or they'd try to rationalize it by using a different word, such as "stopping" rather than aborting.
Here's the thing, Janelle. If you think it's ok to "stop" a pregnancy because the fetus won't live anyhow, would you think it ok to shoot an infant in the head if, after it was born, it clearly wouldn't live for long anyhow? You'd probably consider shooting the infant to be murder, even if the infant would die regardless. So how is "stopping" a pregnancy, when the fetus would most likely die regardless, any different? I'm just saying - if you believe abortion is murder, it needs to be murder. Not murder unless you'd rather explain it away by using a different word.
ALL anti-choice people can think about is abortion.
They want to control what women do. They want to control what women think.
You've linked to that group at least five times. I'm still waiting (as a TRULY pro-life person) for the links to what the the anti-choicers are doing for kids once they've emerged from the wombs you are so preoccupied with.
Exactly, Janelle. "Stopping" a pregnancy IS abortion. Even if you would like to think of it differently, it's still abortion. That's the OP's main question/point, by the way. If you believe abortion is murder, then all abortion is murder - you can't cherry pick to please yourself. Whether someone gets an abortion because they were raped, or someone gets an abortion because the pregnancy is ectopic and the fetus and mother have an extremely low chance of survival, it's still an abortion. If one makes you a murderer, surely the other does as well. Just because it may be easier to sympathize with a woman getting an abortion because her pregnancy is ectopic, doesn't mean she's still not "murdering" the fetus, exactly as the rape victim would be.
There are some that would argue that even the slimmest chance of survival of the fetus is reason enough to keep a pregnancy, even if it would almost surely kill the mother. Again, I have a feeling that most people, if in that situation (or if their wife/partner/girlfriend were in the situation), would suddenly find the idea of abortion less abhorrent. Or they'd try to rationalize it by using a different word, such as "stopping" rather than aborting.
Here's the thing, Janelle. If you think it's ok to "stop" a pregnancy because the fetus won't live anyhow, would you think it ok to shoot an infant in the head if, after it was born, it clearly wouldn't live for long anyhow? You'd probably consider shooting the infant to be murder, even if the infant would die regardless. So how is "stopping" a pregnancy, when the fetus would most likely die regardless, any different? I'm just saying - if you believe abortion is murder, it needs to be murder. Not murder unless you'd rather explain it away by using a different word.
It's an abortion is that it stopped a pregnancy to save the life of the mother and of course the baby would have died anyway. You can consult a priest on that and he would say the same thing. In this case it is for the greater good. Both would die and there is no hope for the baby anyway.
ALL anti-choice people can think about is abortion.
They want to control what women do. They want to control what women think.
You've linked to that group at least five times. I'm still waiting (as a TRULY pro-life person) for the links to what the the anti-choicers are doing for kids once they've emerged from the wombs you are so preoccupied with.
Rachel's Vineyard helps the women, men and families that were hurt by abortion. The baby is dead so not much can be done for that baby now.
If you want to know the programs that help women and their babies just use google and hundreds will come up.
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