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Old 05-04-2013, 06:02 AM
 
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What a bunch of psychobabble that article is. Kids are turning out the way they are because of their parents. I am responsible for how my children have turned out. Not capitalism, not a "village." If my children turned out lazy, not willing to work, demanding, it's on me. Children live what they learn at home.
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:58 AM
 
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A study published yesterday in a psychology journal appears to indicate that the teen generation today is by far the most narcissistic and feels the biggest sense of entitlement of any of the past generations.


I've noticed that in teens today. They're more self-centered, more self-absorbed, look down more easily on others, want to be #1 in everything, tend to be shallow and materialistic, and (unless it's pointed out to them), they don't have a heck of a lot of empathy except maybe for animals.


To blame for this? I say it's our culture of capitalism. Capitalism doesn't teach people to be compassionate, and it definitely doesn't teach people to work. Capitalism idolizes the rich, regardless of whether these worked to get their wealth or merely inherited it. Capitalism teaches people to take as much as possible without regard to anyone else, and if in the taking of everything someone else is hurt, well, isn't that just too bad! Capitalism teaches that rich people are better. Capitalism says, "greed is good - materialism is awesome," "the best system is one in which the winner takes all." In my view, that's exactly what we have taught this generation, turned them into reflections of what unbridled capitalism represents -pure savage greed and entitlement.
Am I the only person who finds it funny that government grows every year almost worldwide, the welfare system expands almost every year worldwide, and there are regulations nowadays that were almost unthinkable twenty years ago and the reason why kids are so selfish is due to laissez faire capitalism?

Ever think that the welfare state and socialism might in fact cause selfishness? When you tell people that they are entitled to every necessity it is not that much of a stretch to see how they might become selfish. I have known a few people on government assistance and many of them feel that they are owed their welfare and anything else they can get for free. Much of the Occupy Movement seems to be mostly based on hatred of the rich than any type of concern about genuine financial scandals or mismanagement. It seems to be all about trying to squeeze a cut from that 1%.

This isn't even entirely my take on it. Others have noticed that socialism and the welfare state breeds laziness ("Why should I work minimum wage when I can get welfare and free housing?"), indifference to work ("I get paid the same either way"), and the sense of entitlement ("It is my human right to receive food stamps/housing/healthcare!"). During the Cold War a Russian dissident even came up with the term Homo Sovieticus to describe this type of person. Instead of creating proud, hard-working, industrious people who would sacrifice everything for a better future and their fellow man the Soviet system produced plenty of people who were selfish, lazy, and saw no good reason to excel at anything if they could not reasonably reach the heights of the elite (which depended more on connections than any skill, intellect, or effort) since the standard of living for most occupations was roughly comparable.

Is capitalism perfect? No. I will admit that much and I consider myself an ardent supporter of the free market. And yes, I do think that in some people capitalism brings out the worst in them, but the worst capitalism has to offer is still better than the worst socialism has to offer. Hell, even the not-quite-the-worst capitalism has offer is better than the best socialism has to offer.
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Old 05-04-2013, 10:00 AM
 
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What a bunch of psychobabble that article is. Kids are turning out the way they are because of their parents. I am responsible for how my children have turned out. Not capitalism, not a "village." If my children turned out lazy, not willing to work, demanding, it's on me. Children live what they learn at home.
That seems pretty oversimplified.

A variety of factors influence children's development.
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Old 05-04-2013, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Let's see. I say that capitalism is pure corruption and fraud, legitimized. I say that refusing to control capitalism leads to corruption and fraud, and we are living in the cesspool of that right now. Meanwhile, you're saying that there's too much regulation of capitalism.

Hmm.
So, let's get this straight: You support Communism.

You say you were a teacher - that is a very scary thought
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Old 05-04-2013, 01:13 PM
 
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So, let's get this straight: You support Communism.

You say you were a teacher - that is a very scary thought
Communism?

Where are you Americans getting these ideas? Never mind, no time. You need to be at work putting in more hours with less vacation time than your Socialist counter part so that Mr. CEO gets another beach home
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Old 05-04-2013, 01:56 PM
 
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To blame for this? I say it's our culture of capitalism. Capitalism doesn't teach people to be compassionate, and it definitely doesn't teach people to work. Capitalism idolizes the rich, regardless of whether these worked to get their wealth or merely inherited it. Capitalism teaches people to take as much as possible without regard to anyone else, and if in the taking of everything someone else is hurt, well, isn't that just too bad! Capitalism teaches that rich people are better. Capitalism says, "greed is good - materialism is awesome," "the best system is one in which the winner takes all." In my view, that's exactly what we have taught this generation, turned them into reflections of what unbridled capitalism represents -pure savage greed and entitlement.
This is actually one of the more hilarious and creative ways of insinuating that even more government intrusion into our society is the only way to fix our next generation of government drones (ahem..."adults"). "Unregulated" capitalism...yes yes, government knows best, right?

First, I agree that kids have a sense of entitlement. However, it's parenting that's to blame. Parents are often too caught up into their own lives to give much notice into what their kids are doing. In the age of welfare, social security, medicare, medicaid, unemployment and "Obama phones", it's laughable to accuse capitalism of somehow instilling a sense of "entitlement".

In fact, capitalism is one of the reasons why YOU have such a nice computer on which to type your posts. Capitalism is the reason why this forum even exists with all its features (vBulletin software is actually quite costly, but you get what you pay for). Capitalism is why you probably drive a nice car, have that big screen television, central air conditioning, a telephone capable of broadband speeds right on your hip, refrigerators capable of keeping its own temperatures, etc. Capitalism breads competition. The more the government involves itself, the less competitive the marketplace due to increased costs of resources and manpower needed to provide for those innovations. Regulations rarely fix perceived problems. They do, however, maintain those problems.

Please, spare us the "unregulated capitalism" crap. This is yet another attempt at passing blame onto something else (not so coincidentally, something that the government should more heavily regulate ... surprise surprise) and completely avoiding any and all responsibility of raising your kids to be productive members of society rather than leaches on the system.
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Old 05-04-2013, 05:00 PM
 
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I've come to the conclusion that you probably have The Communist Manifesto tucked somewhere away near your computer that capitalism built. Maybe Das Kapital for good measure, and Mao's Little Red Book.
I understand how you might feel that way, Joseph.

How's the 50s treating you? Those commies are hiding behind every rock, aren't they?

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Old 05-04-2013, 05:05 PM
 
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Others may have pointed this already but, this country hasn't even remotely been capitalist in almost 100 years. It has been highly regulated in all that time; even during the Reagan era, etc. This is a mixed economy: a mixture between freedom and controls.

Your argument is a badly thought out straw-man at best.
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Old 05-04-2013, 05:22 PM
 
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This is actually one of the more hilarious and creative ways of insinuating that even more government intrusion into our society is the only way to fix our next generation of government drones (ahem..."adults"). "Unregulated" capitalism...yes yes, government knows best, right?

First, I agree that kids have a sense of entitlement. However, it's parenting that's to blame. Parents are often too caught up into their own lives to give much notice into what their kids are doing. In the age of welfare, social security, medicare, medicaid, unemployment and "Obama phones", it's laughable to accuse capitalism of somehow instilling a sense of "entitlement".

In fact, capitalism is one of the reasons why YOU have such a nice computer on which to type your posts. Capitalism is the reason why this forum even exists with all its features (vBulletin software is actually quite costly, but you get what you pay for). Capitalism is why you probably drive a nice car, have that big screen television, central air conditioning, a telephone capable of broadband speeds right on your hip, refrigerators capable of keeping its own temperatures, etc. Capitalism breads competition. The more the government involves itself, the less competitive the marketplace due to increased costs of resources and manpower needed to provide for those innovations. Regulations rarely fix perceived problems. They do, however, maintain those problems.

Please, spare us the "unregulated capitalism" crap. This is yet another attempt at passing blame onto something else (not so coincidentally, something that the government should more heavily regulate ... surprise surprise) and completely avoiding any and all responsibility of raising your kids to be productive members of society rather than leaches on the system.
ROFL! OMFG. This post is a perfect illustration of how right wingers think, or at least how they want everyone to think they think.

Here's how I think right wingnuts must view the world:

Government is monstrous! An anomaly! It is evil and dangerous! Horrible! Countries should not have one! Government is a code word for Communism!

However, government is not all bad as long as its regulations and laws are directed at controlling the poor, liberals, black people, hispanics, and anyone who isn't right wing or a member of the Republican Party. Anyone who is not a member of the conservative parties is, of course, a Communist! And, while we're at it... the government needs to regulate and have laws that will punish people who engage in any activities which are disapproved of by the Republican Party and its cohorts, for example: the smoking of marijuana, sex between people of the same gender, political beliefs that are in complete opposition to the Republican Party, a realistic view of U.S. history, and the freedom of women to their own bodies. People who engage in those are all Communist. And yes, Republicans should all try to run for office to keep the Communists out of office!

Capitalism that has any form of regulation of business is not real capitalism, it is Communism for sure! There are Communists everywhere! We're surrounded! In fact, if we're not careful, we'll end up Communist! Nono, in fact, we ARE Communist! "True" capitalism has no regulation of any sort. Regulations are unnecessary. Business people will regulate themselves because, well, just because they're not Communist!

The private sector and the rich are good, kind and noble because they're not Cmmunist! Communism is the worst thing that can happen to anyone, anywhere in the universe. In fact, Communism is a code word for SATAN.

War, prisons, shows of force, authoritarianism, and the death penalty are the products of a good society because these avoid Communism!

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Old 05-04-2013, 05:29 PM
 
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I understand how you might feel that way, Joseph.

How's the 50s treating you? Those commies are hiding behind every rock, aren't they?

Cold War Museum
I do, because if it weren't for communism, I'd have been born and raised in Germany, not Puerto Rico. My family lived behind the Iron Curtain, unlike yours. No wonder you have no idea what you're saying when you criticize capitalism. You should have paid less attention to your uninformed university professors' rants and thought for yourself more.
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