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Old 05-02-2013, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Well according to right wing posters here, business is laying off workers to maintain costs in the face of the implementation of Obamacare.

Is this is true, then explain to me how new unemployment numbers are lowest in 5 years, considering Obamacare mandates are right around the corner ..


US weekly unemployment aid applications drop to 324K, lowest in 5 years, sign of fewer layoffs - The Washington Post
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Old 05-02-2013, 03:08 PM
 
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Well according to right wing posters here, business is laying off workers to maintain costs in the face of the implementation of Obamacare.

Is this is true, then explain to me how new unemployment numbers are lowest in 5 years, considering Obamacare mandates are right around the corner ..

US weekly unemployment aid applications drop to 324K, lowest in 5 years, sign of fewer layoffs - The Washington Post
Um, basic math lesson is due..

If you dont lay anyone off, the net cost difference between not laying someone off is $0.

Big corporations are already running with a bare bones staff
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Old 05-02-2013, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Well according to right wing posters here, business is laying off workers to maintain costs in the face of the implementation of Obamacare.

Is this is true, then explain to me how new unemployment numbers are lowest in 5 years, considering Obamacare mandates are right around the corner ..


US weekly unemployment aid applications drop to 324K, lowest in 5 years, sign of fewer layoffs - The Washington Post
That's old news already. The IRS has a 12 month look back for qualification so any changes to employment scenarios has already been done.

Aren't you keeping up with Obamacare changes ?
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Old 05-02-2013, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Um, basic math lesson is due..

If you dont lay anyone off, the net cost difference between not laying someone off is $0.

Big corporations are already running with a bare bones staff
A duh moment is coming: The law requires employers to cover everybody not just the ones they want like professional staff as has been the practice. If you don't lay off workers who you don't cover now but will have to cover on Obamacare your costs go up. Duh, huh? Where's the layoffs?
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Old 05-02-2013, 03:20 PM
 
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A duh moment is coming: The law requires employers to cover everybody not the ones they want like professional staff as has been the practice. If you don't lay off workers who you don't cover now but will have to cover on Obamacare your costs go up. Duh, huh? Where's the layoffs?
The dah is you not comprehending that if a company has 10,000 employees, they are subject to Obamacare, and thus the increased management costs dont drop by cutting 100 employees.

Especially when you can just reduce the employees pay to offset the cost, something small businesses cant do.
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Old 05-02-2013, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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A duh moment is coming: The law requires employers to cover everybody not just the ones they want like professional staff as has been the practice. If you don't lay off workers who you don't cover now but will have to cover on Obamacare your costs go up. Duh, huh? Where's the layoffs?
Don't you recall all those workers that got moved to 29 hours so they'd be part time and exempt ?
You need to keep up with the news.
There were headlines all over the place about companies doing that.

The law requires everyone full time, not "everyone" and 29 hours isn't full time.
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Old 05-02-2013, 03:24 PM
 
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Don't you recall all those workers that got moved to 29 hours so they'd be part time and exempt ?
You need to keep up with the news.
There were headlines all over the place about companies doing that.

The law requires everyone full time, not "everyone" and 29 hours isn't full time.
Yep, and with 29 hours you dont get to apply for unemployment

I thought sequester was going to crash the economy, where is this total collapse?
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Old 05-02-2013, 03:26 PM
 
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The disease that is liberalism rears it's ugly head in yet another thread.
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Old 05-02-2013, 03:28 PM
 
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Well, since obamacare has technically not taken over yet, (even though somethings have), let's see the numbers in November, I would also like to see the numbers from companies the go from full time employees to part time employees...
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Old 05-02-2013, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Don't you recall all those workers that got moved to 29 hours so they'd be part time and exempt ?
You need to keep up with the news.
There were headlines all over the place about companies doing that.

The law requires everyone full time, not "everyone" and 29 hours isn't full time.
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Well, since obamacare has technically not taken over yet, (even though somethings have), let's see the numbers in November, I would also like to see the numbers from companies the go from full time employees to part time employees...
This is a common misconception by the yahoos, who think what HappyTexan just said. The law REALLY says "full-time Equivalents." So, a company that has 99 employees can make everyone half-time and get the total FTE below 50. A company with 500 employees still has to cover every employee, regardless of whether they are FT or PT.
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