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H2O contributes far more to global warming than CO2, so what are you going to do about the the number one greenhouse gas?
The people who make the Paleomap site. pointed out that Earth seems to swing between a Hot House Climate when CO2 and other Greenhouse gases are a larger portion of the Earths atmosphere and a Ice House climate when those levels are much lower and there is a debate as to what sends Greenhouse gas levels from one extreme to another. They also observe that when these transitions occur life forms that were comfortable in one type of climate or the other die off when the change occurs. Now we evolved during the time that Earth went into a Ice House climate. Humanity might not do well in a Hot House climate since we have limited ways to reject waste heat and often get into problems of heat stroke and heat exhaustion when the temperatures exceed our body temperature and the humidity is high meaning that sweat is harder to evaporate and take waste heat away. We also have problems with CO2 toxicity when CO2 levels get 5-10 times higher . Our blood pH. and brain functions are impaired in a high CO2 atmosphere. This was illustrated in the movie about the Apollo 13 mission where a crisis happened over the rising CO2 levels that might have impaired the astronauts ability to cope with the new mission or simply pass out. So life will go on and new lifeforms will evolve and thrive in the new Hot House Earth life better adapted than we. Sadly they may be our sucessors and we may join a great list of life that is well illustrated in great fossil collections! You know Trilobites, dragon flies larger that a Bald Eagle, and all manor of dinosaurs who when the climate shifted 65 million years ago died off all but for some little dinosaurs with feathers that took to the air.
You are repeating what you think....? Maybe you've do...
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Originally Posted by desertdetroiter
Hmmm...
Truth is, my biggest fear with Republicans having any power is their insistence on this emphasis on religion as a force for good and their distrust of science.
They believe that a man raised the dead, walked on water, multiplied fish, and gave sight to a blind man. But at the same time they find the concept of man-made Global Warming to be intolerable.
That scares the hell out of me.
Or, were you taught this? Maybe you've done some research?
Did you Google , What Republicans Think...........? You probably think I'm a Republican.. you are wrong. I'm a concerned citizen looking for ways to make a difference...got any ideas , I'll take serious any sincere idea.
OP - since when is the federal government not funding scientific research "anti-science"?
You want to do your own research?
Fine.
Secure your own funding.
Liberals spin anything that is opposed to big government funding or involvement as "anti-whatever".
That is because the liberal's wet dream is of an all encompassing big government that controls and regulates everything.
The liberal dream is the very antithesis of liberty.
It is essentially socialism - which Marx and Engels said eventually evolves into communism
Register as a Democrat and become a soldier of an entity that emulates the policies of the biggest mass murderers in history - Chairman Mao, Secretary Stalin, and Pol Pot.
Irony:
People whinning about government funding of research, ON THE INTERNET.
Think about it...
OP - since when is the federal government not funding scientific research "anti-science"?
You want to do your own research?
Fine.
Secure your own funding.
Liberals spin anything that is opposed to big government funding or involvement as "anti-whatever".
That is because the liberal's wet dream is of an all encompassing big government that controls and regulates everything.
The liberal dream is the very antithesis of liberty.
It is essentially socialism - which Marx and Engels said eventually evolves into communism
Register as a Democrat and become a soldier of an entity that emulates the policies of the biggest mass murderers in history - Chairman Mao, Secretary Stalin, and Pol Pot.
This is a fundamental problem that liberals and moderates often seem to get 180 degrees wrong. Opposing tax funding of research is not anti-science. Opposing tax-funding of sports stadiums is not anti-sport. And opposing legislation mandating that Georgetown U. pay for birth control is not anti-sex.
Have all the sex, sports, and science that you wish, just don't fund it by forcibly reaching into the taxpayers' pockets and pulling out their cash. Why can't people see that?
Hi, 3~shepherds...
I didn't need Gore to tell me the climate was changing. I've been observing it myself for the past 30 years.
I first became concerned about it after talking to a friend who left Idaho for Anchorage and still lives up there today. He was the first to tell me of how warm the winters were becoming up there, and the changes back then are not nearly as drastic as they are now.
I was a blue water sailor for a few years, and I understand how the main currents in the oceans work. I have lived on a ranch all my life on the west slope of the Great Divide, the biggest weather maker on the N. American continent, and have watched the changes along it, too.
I won't argue whether global warming and it's accompanying climate changes are real or not. I know they are. I didn't take Al Gore's word for it, but I did take a whale-hunting Inuit's word that the polar seas are warming up, and I believed it when I saw a satellite photo of a hunk of the antarctic ice shelf the size of Rhode Island broke off and began drifting northward.
Learning about geography and climate is not hard. Learn for yourself what happens when sea water loses some of it's salinity and what happens when the seas warm up or cool down. If you do, you will make the same conclusions as mine.
Al Gore and the international carbon sequestration plan of credit swapping was a severely stupid mistake. It works well enough as a partial solution to the problem, but it's like a shell game with all the advantages on the operator's side and none on the bettor's side.
It's got nothing to do with communism, or a new world order, or any of that crap, but after nearly 30 years of stale and deadlocked debate, enough Americans have swallowed the lies about the program that it will never sell, and that's OK with me; it wasn't that hot to begin with.
The worst thing about it was it would have only lulled us into any farther inaction, and it wasn't enough by itself to stop the carbon buildup in the atmosphere.
I'm a big believer in learning by consequences. If someone won't do the homework needed to understand a complicated situation, let them learn from the consequences of their ignorance. It is most often a cruel and harsh lesson, but as my Great Grand-dad said "What you don't have in your head you will need to have in your feet."
Maybe I'm wrong. I hope I am, but I know that when an big ecological changes all reach a tripping point, and when the trigger is tripped, nothing becomes predictable except that something will change and that change will last. I have seen it all my life.
When a drought in the west lasts too long, jackrabbits start breeding and become a plague. They will drive over the land and eat everything green in sight. And then they will begin to starve out, so if the drought continues to last, the locusts will come next, and they don't starve out and die off like the jackrabbits. They just keep going and growing until 3 hard, snowy winters in a row freeze them out.
If you think that doesn't affect a big city, or big urban areas, think again. Any farmer left in your family tree will tell you the same thing. And that example is just one of thousands, each different, each as true as the other.
I believe the trigger tripped on us all several years ago. Best of luck to everyone from now on- we will need all the luck we can get, and our kids will need it ever more. And if you think they are pissed at you for messing things up and leaving it to them, just wait until you hear from your grandkids.
Mike thanks for you response...But:
If people like Gore think we have Global Warming wonder why they are not doing their part. Do you believe those jets and huge homes are not also the problem they talk about....
Gore’s mansion, [20-room, eight-bathroom] located in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville, consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES).
In his documentary, the former Vice President calls on Americans to conserve energy by reducing electricity consumption at home.
The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh—more than 20 times the national average.
Last August alone, Gore burned through 22,619 kWh—guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year. As a result of his energy consumption, Gore’s average monthly electric bill topped $1,359.
Since the release of An Inconvenient Truth, Gore’s energy consumption has increased from an average of 16,200 kWh per month in 2005, to 18,400 kWh per month in 2006.
Gore’s extravagant energy use does not stop at his electric bill. Natural gas bills for Gore’s mansion and guest house averaged $1,080 per month last year.
“As the spokesman of choice for the global warming movement, Al Gore has to be willing to walk to walk, not just talk the talk, when it comes to home energy use,” said Tennessee Center for Policy Research President Drew Johnson.
In total, Gore paid nearly $30,000 in combined electricity and natural gas bills for his Nashville estate in 2006.”
This is a fundamental problem that liberals and moderates often seem to get 180 degrees wrong. Opposing tax funding of research is not anti-science. Opposing tax-funding of sports stadiums is not anti-sport. And opposing legislation mandating that Georgetown U. pay for birth control is not anti-sex.
Have all the sex, sports, and science that you wish, just don't fund it by forcibly reaching into the taxpayers' pockets and pulling out their cash. Why can't people see that?
I think they may be being blinded by the Obama smile......
I'm not a global warming nut, but I can at least take heed in the vast amounts of scientific evidence towards the subject.
The thing about science is that it is constantly questioned and tested as to make sure we're all coming to the same conclusion and if something new is found out, it's put to the test time and time again. It's something tangible, so in that sense it's hard to deny there's global warming.
Now I don't empathize with Gore or his cronies on this matter, but as a Moderate I can at least see the scientific evidence lending credit to his claim.
But seriously this logic error was especially blatant with the case of Sandra Fluke, who wanted a legislative mandate to FORCE Georgetown to act according to her wishes, and that otherwise, her rights were being trampled. It would be like me saying that unless somebody is mandated to buy me a gun, my 2nd Amendment rights are being trampled.
I think part of it is just very sloppy thinking (and from a GT law student!), and part is the old saw from Upton Sinclair, who was a socialist but came up with this gem:
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