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Old 05-07-2013, 02:45 PM
 
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Yes, the concept of being judged by a single, omnipotent entity is probably a silly thing.

But, why would you think a society where logic and probability theory were the highest value would be BETTER?
Better meaning more factual, and if not truth, then as close to the truth as you can get.

Probability theory? What?

Nobody is saying we should turn into the Vulcans, believe it or not morality predates religion, although that has nothing to do with this thread.
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Old 05-07-2013, 02:46 PM
 
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Better meaning more factual, and if not truth, then as close to the truth as you can get.

Probability theory? What?

Nobody is saying we should turn into the Vulcans, believe it or not morality predates religion, although that has nothing to do with this thread.
No it doesn't....

if you are an Atheist and you believe in "morals"... than you are even more of a whack job than any right wing Christian
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Old 05-07-2013, 02:50 PM
 
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No it doesn't....

if you are an Atheist and you believe in "morals"... than you are even more of a whack job than any right wing Christian
How so?
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Old 05-07-2013, 02:57 PM
 
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How so?
A moral indicates inherent and intrinsic values of "good and bad" and "right and wrong"...

If there is no supernatural authority...how are they prescribed?

Science must have an explanation for this.... and since you are THEE DUDE who, apparently, has a better grasp of science than anybody else in this thread... I am sure you can explain this.
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Old 05-07-2013, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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A moral indicates inherent and intrinsic values of "good and bad" and "right and wrong"...
That's your special definition of morality, not the one commonly used.

It is entirely possible to construct a morality that is 100% contingent and has no intrinsic elements whatsoever. You might not find it satisfactory, but it is still a system of morality.
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Old 05-07-2013, 03:01 PM
 
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That's your special definition of morality, not the one commonly used.

It is entirely possible to posit a morality that is 100% contingent and has no intrinsic elements whatsoever.
Then it's not a moral it's a value
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Old 05-07-2013, 03:01 PM
 
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A moral indicates inherent and intrinsic values of "good and bad" and "right and wrong"...

If there is no supernatural authority...how are they prescribed?

Science must have an explanation for this.... and since you are THEE DUDE who, apparently, has a better grasp of science than anybody else in this thread... I am sure you can explain this.
lol, i love this argument.

"How can I know whats right or wrong unless God tells me?"

First of all, I dont need a god to know that killing and raping and lying and adultery is immoral behavior. Morality predates your, or any, religion.

Second, if I see an old woman crossing the road, and I help her, am I a better person because Im doing it to get a divine reward or because Im doing it simply because its nice?


God is a pretty bad moral authority if thats what you want to believe, I know I wouldnt create a species with free will, then kill all of them with a flood for not acting the way I want. That would make me a narcissitic murderer.
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Old 05-07-2013, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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mor·al
adjective
1.
of, pertaining to, or concerned with the principles or rules of right conduct or the distinction between right and wrong; ethical: moral attitudes.
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Old 05-07-2013, 03:02 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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I'll just point out that most of the people I know are atheists and they never say "god help me".
I've never said "god help me" in my life.

On the other hand, if someone sneezes, I say "Buddha bless you!"

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Old 05-07-2013, 03:05 PM
 
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lol, i love this argument.

"How can I know whats right or wrong unless God tells me?"

First of all, I dont need a god to know that killing and raping and lying and adultery is immoral behavior. Morality predates your, or any, religion.

Second, if I see an old woman crossing the road, and I help her, am I a better person because Im doing it to get a divine reward or because Im doing it simply because its nice?


God is a pretty bad moral authority if thats what you want to believe, I know I wouldnt create a species with free will, then kill all of them with a flood for not acting the way I want. That would make me a narcissitic murderer.
I'm an Agnostic.

but bottom line is... without an authority... there IS no right or wrong. Right or wrong comes merely from preference.
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